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#16 HawkMan

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 20:46

Basically google are giving away worthless patents that is either so much in use they are unenforceable or that are so weak they would be thrown away in court if they tried to enforce them.

Good guys... Lets not pretend google is doing this to actually be good guys and not just for PR to appear like good guys, as usual.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 20:53

Well that's basically nonsense!


Really? Google has a history of doing this.

Let me tell you a story from before chrome, when IE had 90% of the market and google was heavily behind FF. google bought a company that made an online document editor or office suite if you will. This office suite worked perfectly in every browser.
After google bought it, they did a small update to the website. This website did three things.
1. Change the logos to google and rename to google docs.
2. Give a warning to non IE/FF browsers that only FF was supported. IE didn't get the warning, but wasn't offered as a supported alternative either( but MS has to support everyone in their forced ballot screen)
3. Used deep browser scanning to detect opera(not just user agent). And sent broken code to opera so the editors wouldn't load.

That was ALL that was changed, o new features, not bug fixes, nothing, just branding and breaking it in a browser they didn't support to push people to their choice of browser.

Good guys indeed.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 21:05

Google basically just writes their websites to work in Chrome and doesn't care how they work in non-Chrome/non-Webkit browsers. I have quoted the relevant part of the article.


Oh, you mean like Microsoft... Google isn't nearly as bad as MS when requiring their browser for a website to work correctly. I know there is EXTRA functionality in Chrome for Google Apps, but that's hardly a worthwhile argument.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 21:21

Oh, you mean like Microsoft... Google isn't nearly as bad as MS when requiring their browser for a website to work correctly. I know there is EXTRA functionality in Chrome for Google Apps, but that's hardly a worthwhile argument.

When you have point relevant to this thread's topic, come back and try again.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:37

When you have point relevant to this thread's topic, come back and try again.


You made a similar comment in your first post to this thread.

Stay on topic please or else I will request this topic to be closed. This is not about Google and what they do with their websites. This is about their patents.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:45

Good guys... Lets not pretend google is doing this to actually be good guys and not just for PR to appear like good guys, as usual.


Google doesnt have to do this and they have nothing to gain by doing it. At least a company is trying to do something about the whole patent mess as it is obvious to anyone that something needs to be done. I dont see other companies doing this and as long as Google holds true to their word, then yes...they are the good guys in this instance. However, if they are stupid and go back on what they say, I will be the first to yell at them. And yes, there is PR behind this and their should be. Nothing wrong with drumming up a little PR. All companies do things like this. Hell, MS just did it by creating a website that has all their patents in one place and I am glad MS did that as well.

So, I am not going to call Google the bad guys here as they have not done anything to warrant it.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:55

Google doesnt have to do this and they have nothing to gain by doing it.


Don't be so naive, they have everything to gain. Google have made a fortune stealing other peoples hard work and then pretending that they've done nothing wrong. This is just a meaningless fig-leaf to make them look like oood guys battling patent trolls when the reality is that they're little more than thieves.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:58

Don't be so naive, they have everything to gain. Google have made a fortune stealing other peoples hard work and then pretending that they've done nothing wrong. This is just a meaningless fig-leaf to make them look like oood guys battling patent trolls when the reality is that they're little more than thieves.


So do tell me what Google has to gain from this and how what Google did is different from what Apple, Microsoft, and many others have done. And Google patent trolls? Last time I checked that was Apple but hey, things change fast I guess. If Google was the only one pulling this kind of stuff, then I would agree 110 percent with you. But this goes beyond Google and to many other companies. Also, last time I checked, it was Samsung that was doing the stealing.

And Google is assuming other will sign up and even if they dont, Google will still keep this pledge. Otherwise, it would just look really bad on them and they really cannot afford the bad press ATM.

And a little more info....


Our pledge builds on past efforts by companies like IBM and Red Hat and the work of the Open Invention Network (of which Google is a member). It also complements our efforts on cooperative licensing, where we’re working with like-minded companies to develop patent agreements that would cut down on lawsuits.

And, in addition to these industry-driven initiatives, we continue to support patent reforms that would improve patent quality and reduce excessive litigation.

We hope the OPN Pledge will provide a model for companies looking to put their own patents into the service of open-source software, which continues to enable amazing innovation.


http://google-openso...nd-patents.html

And more companies need patent agreements instead of suing the crap out of one another and blocking products. So it looks like Google is not alone what they are trying to do here but hey, lets still call them the bad guys. After all, one bad deed (exchange connector) erases a life time of good so Google will always be the evil corporation to many.......sure glad I dont think that way about Microsoft.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:08

Google doesnt have to do this and they have nothing to gain by doing it. At least a company is trying to do something about the whole patent mess as it is obvious to anyone that something needs to be done. I dont see other companies doing this and as long as Google holds true to their word, then yes...they are the good guys in this instance. However, if they are stupid and go back on what they say, I will be the first to yell at them. And yes, there is PR behind this and their should be. Nothing wrong with drumming up a little PR. All companies do things like this. Hell, MS just did it by creating a website that has all their patents in one place and I am glad MS did that as well.

So, I am not going to call Google the bad guys here as they have not done anything to warrant it.


No they're not trying to do anything about the patent system, they're just dumping patents they can't fight or defend. it's pure PR.

MS on the other hand have been fighting for a reform of the patent system and is supporting a reform, something google isn't supporting.

And Google is assuming other will sign up and even if they dont, Google will still keep this pledge. Otherwise, it would just look really bad on them and they really cannot afford the bad press ATM.


Why would others sign up for this. MS already has this same system in practice, except it's way more than 10 patents, and it's actual valid patents.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:10

I've noticed something with google over the years, introduce something and then pull it away.
If you get suckered into this, I'll feel for you when in a few days/months/years they pull it and do sue you :/

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:12

No they're not trying to do anything about the patent system, they're just dumping patents they can't fight or defend. it's pure PR.

MS on the other hand have been fighting for a reform of the patent system and is supporting a reform, something google isn't supporting.



Why would others sign up for this. MS already has this same system in practice, except it's way more than 10 patents, and it's actual valid patents.


http://google-openso...nd-patents.html

And Google stated it will be adding more patents. And the patents Google currently released are widely used....according to Google but I dont have proof otherwise.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:50

OF course they're widely used, that's the point I made in my first post. They are worthless un-enforceable patents. basically they're toilet paper.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 00:16

So do tell me what Google has to gain from this and how what Google did is different from what Apple, Microsoft, and many others have done. And Google patent trolls? Last time I checked that was Apple but hey, things change fast I guess. If Google was the only one pulling this kind of stuff, then I would agree 110 percent with you. But this goes beyond Google and to many other companies. Also, last time I checked, it was Samsung that was doing the stealing.

And Google is assuming other will sign up and even if they dont, Google will still keep this pledge. Otherwise, it would just look really bad on them and they really cannot afford the bad press ATM.

And a little more info....


HawkMan and I have already told you what they gain; good publicity. This is all just meaningless PR to make Google look good while they steal other companies' IP. Google doesn't expect anybody to sign up for this and they don't care if it never amounts to anything. It's just a PR exercise to make it appear as if they're doing the right thing. People like you happily spread the word and try to convince everyone else that Google is a great company. Job done.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 00:30

This is rich coming from Google. They are constant target of Apple and others for using stolen patents. Seems they are trying to worm out of paying for patents they *should* be paying for, good luck with that...

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 00:45

A lot of hate in this thread. The good thing is if you don't like some site on the Internet there is always alternatives.