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[color=#8b4513][i]Please, this is not a religious discussion.[/i][/color]

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They paid the inevitable price for not bowing to the Christian Taliban / uber patriot crowd. I fully agree with the teachers, it was an interesting lesson that raised an interesting point about the way people obsessively worship things like flags.
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Or it could just be ya know, about respect. And you keep using that word taliban in conjunction with christians which doesn't make any sense. Good job on being all kinds of condescending though.
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And you don't see it as ironic that in "the land of the free" people are being punished for refusing to play the obsessive patriot? It has nothing to do with respect, and everything to do with the post 9-11 atmosphere in which people who aren't obsessively patriotic are treated with suspicion.

It's just a damn flag it's not going to harm anyone.
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in currently where i lives, if you tries to teaching stomping on national flags, you will charged with treasons.

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[quote name='trag3dy' timestamp='1364659680' post='595607294']
Or it could just be ya know, about respect.
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It's a sad day when "respect" for a character in a book and a scrap of material costs people their jobs. It's especially sad when those people are teachers who lost their jobs trying to teach their students to question the world around them. It's clear that ignorance is more important than education in some parts of America.
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[quote name='jakem1' timestamp='1364660306' post='595607314']
It's a sad day when "respect" for a character in a book and a scrap of material costs people their jobs. It's especially sad when those people are teachers who lost their jobs trying to teach their students to question the world around them. It's clear that ignorance is more important than education in some parts of America.
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Teachers are meant to teach what's in the books not get their impressionable young students to "question the world around them". Teach the facts and leave your damn opinion out of it. Give children credit, they can learn for themselves what they do and do not want to believe in and what they do and do not want to respect.

Where I come from when some one is telling others what they should or shouldn't be doing we call that preaching. And I know how you guys feel about that.
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[quote name='trag3dy' timestamp='1364660850' post='595607330']
Teachers are meant to teach what's in the books not get their impressionable young students to "question the world around them". Teach the facts and leave your damn opinion out of it. Give children credit, they can learn from themselves what they do and do not want to believe in and what they do and do not want to respect.
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This.

If they want to express themselves, do it on their own time and dollar. They aren't there to teach their opinions about the world.
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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1364659778' post='595607298']
And you don't see it as ironic that in "the land of the free" people are being punished for refusing to play the obsessive patriot? It has nothing to do with respect, and everything to do with the post 9-11 atmosphere in which people who aren't obsessively patriotic are treated with suspicion.

It's just a damn flag it's not going to harm anyone.
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It's ironic, sad, and really quite pathetic too. :(
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[quote name='trag3dy' timestamp='1364660850' post='595607330']
Teachers are meant to teach what's in the books not get their impressionable young students to "question the world around them". Teach the facts and leave your damn opinion out of it. Give children credit, they can learn for themselves what they do and do not want to believe in and what they do and do not want to respect.
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The 'ask the students to write Jesus on a piece of paper and then ask them to step on it' exercise was straight from the course textbook.
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It is a great day when a college teacher gets called out and held accountable. He changed his story more then once, he claims he is getting all this support from the christian community and best of all it was great when he gets the tail end of it for complaining and suspending the student from class for violation of the code of conduct.

When you pull a stunt like he did and what the school did to try to get out of the mess, you get what you happens to you. It doesn't matter what BS you where trying to teach, the method was flawed and the message was also. Time to shoot the messenger.
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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1364659203' post='595607272']
They paid the inevitable price for not bowing to the Christian Taliban / uber patriot crowd. I fully agree with the teachers, it was an interesting lesson that raised an interesting point about the way people obsessively worship things like flags.
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Yeah, let me just whip my dick out and wizz all over the 9/11 memorial! Then I'll take a massive dump on the tomb of the unknown soldier and spray graffiti on the Vietnam memorial!
That'll show those neocon uberpatriotic Christian Taliban how not important their symbols are! FIGHT THE POWAH!

*******s.
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low level of nationalism or wrong kind of nationalism in armies are dangerous though,
Fort Hood shootings for example?
how are hell American Armies allow someone who doesn't loves America entering military services?

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[quote name='Hum' timestamp='1364658608' post='595607260']
[color=#8b4513][i]Please, this is not a religious discussion.[/i][/color]

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[quote name='Stetson' timestamp='1364661353' post='595607346']
The 'ask the students to write Jesus on a piece of paper and then ask them to step on it' exercise was straight from the course textbook.
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While I don't have the textbook, I bet it was more like an exercise that was to demonstrate that words have no real power. I doubt the assignment instructions said to put a religious word on a piece of paper (or even specifically Jesus) and stomp on it. Do you know more about this assignment?

I would expect that the same response would happen if you put christianity, catholicism, or mormonism on the paper and stomped it. You are insulting people's religious beliefs and teaching your students that they don't have to respect the beliefs and values of others. The LAST thing this world needs is more religious intolerance.

The teacher made a bad call, that is all there is to it.
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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1364659778' post='595607298']
And you don't see it as ironic that in "the land of the free" people are being punished for refusing to play the obsessive patriot? It has nothing to do with respect, and everything to do with the post 9-11 atmosphere in which people who aren't obsessively patriotic are treated with suspicion.

It's just a damn flag it's not going to harm anyone.
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MANY men and women have lost their lives for that flag. I lost so much of my small bowel for that Flag that I'm barely hanging on to life myself. Do I love America? Yes emphatically.
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[quote name='trag3dy' timestamp='1364659680' post='595607294']
And you keep using that word taliban in conjunction with christians which doesn't make any sense.
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The word Taliban is plural of Talib which is derived from the arabic word Talb meaning one who yearns (knowledge). The literal translation of the word Taliban is students or scholars. So maybe he means Christian scholars. :)

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[quote name='gzAsher' timestamp='1364662299' post='595607368']
The word Taliban is plural of Talib which is derived from the arabic word Talb meaning one who yearns (knowledge). The literal translation of the word Taliban is students or scholars. So maybe he means Christian scholars. :)
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Yeah he's clearly not using it in a negative way equating them to the famous taliban we all know and love.
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Land of the free but if you go against it, suddenly it's not that free anymore.
Really sad, but you go USA! USA nr 1!

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[quote name='trag3dy' timestamp='1364662694' post='595607376']
Yeah he's clearly not using it in a negative way equating them to the famous taliban we all know and love.
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lol ... where can we find those Taliban?

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[quote name='Stoffel' timestamp='1364662910' post='595607382']
Land of the free but if you go against it, suddenly it's not that free anymore.
Really sad, but you go USA! USA nr 1!
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Yes. Lets teach religious intolerance. We really need more of that.

Anyway, freedom of speech does not mean freedom to do whatever you like.

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1364659778' post='595607298']
And you don't see it as ironic that in "the land of the free" people are being punished for refusing to play the obsessive patriot? It has nothing to do with respect, and everything to do with the post 9-11 atmosphere in which people who aren't obsessively patriotic are treated with suspicion.

It's just a damn flag it's not going to harm anyone.
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Well to be fair in the land of the free we're not stoning people or cutting peoples hands off.... yet.

I think freedom of speech entitles us to be able to stomp on the flag or to stomp on jesus. However most people, out of a sense of respect would not do such things. Same way you don't want to go around yelling racial slurs.

edit: let me clarify; the sense of respect is not necessarily for the flag or jesus; but for your fellow man who's beliefs may be different than yours.
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I'll never understand why Americans are so attached to religion (ever heard of separation of church and state?) and their flag...

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1364659778' post='595607298']
[b]It's just a damn flag it's not going to harm anyone.[/b]
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If someone feels the need to stomp and disrespect a nation/national symbol, you would think they would be less hypocritical and just move out of said country.

[quote name='MFH' timestamp='1364663353' post='595607394']
I'll never understand why Americans are so attached to religion (ever heard of separation of church and state?) and their flag...
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Right?

I mean no other countries are attached to religion. Silly Americans.
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[quote name='adrynalyne' timestamp='1364663054' post='595607390']
Yes. Lets teach religious intolerance. We really need more of that.

Anyway, freedom of speech does not mean freedom to do whatever you like.
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They didn't force the kids to stomp on the paper with the word Jesus on it.
They asked them to do it, to gauge a reaction and then talk about why some would have an issue doing so and others wouldn't.

Seems perfectly fine to me, it encourages critical thinking

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