Linux is beginning to annoy me

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Flash is quite inefficient on any platform. It runs well on Windows, but is a CPU hog on Mac and Linux. YouTube has a HTML 5 mode - just disable Flash to enable it. Video is a lot smoother in this mode.

If you want to use Linux, you're best off with an Intel GPU/chipset. Intel hardware is very well supported - I've never had an issue.

However, I agree that configuration can sometimes be a pain. But you learn a lot out of it. When I get stuck, I'm fortunate I have a few people to help me out - they don't need manuals/tutorials; they've been using Linux since it went public and know it back to front!

People say Windows 8/9 are efficient - but they don't know most Linux distros can be stripped down to run on just 64MB of RAM quite easily. The days of fancy effects are gone. I just want to get my work complete!

[Haggis Veteran]

yeah, occasionally i like to play games on facebook with family, all the games are flash based

I can only play for a round ten mins and my cpu gets extremely hot

It sits around 80 degree C after 10 mins of playing

I am never sure if its ok to keep playing at this temp as the fans are running very fast lol

[Kami-]

cons for windows:

- costs A LOT of money

- viruses/spyware/trojans....

1. Depends on your financial situation - therefore we can ignore this point.

2. Userbase: as a platform increases in popularity, so do the reasons to target the platform for nefarious individuals/groups. The 'other' platforms all have weak points which can be exploited too; the only reason Windows appears to be more susceptable to these little nasties is because its the msot popular OS.

Think back a few years ago when everyone was like 'oh MacOSX doesn't have viruses/trojans/etc' - now look, it does, it has quite a few... why? Because more people are moving over to MacOSX therefore it becomes profitable to target it.

[cork1958]

Yep,

It's those stupid little niggles that have always kept me from using Linux exclusively, all the time also.

Nice little toy, but not what I want to deal with every day either.

[articuno1au]

It's an incredibly useful tool, but like all such tools, no one is perfect for all jobs.

For instance, one does not hammer a screw.. (Although for $20 I'll screw a ha.. Never mind >.>)

Asserting that either is perfect or superior in all cases it just straight up pants on head..

[srbeen]

yeah, occasionally i like to play games on facebook with family, all the games are flash based

I can only play for a round ten mins and my cpu gets extremely hot

It sits around 80 degree C after 10 mins of playing

I am never sure if its ok to keep playing at this temp as the fans are running very fast lol

launch xbox360's idled at 70C... In use they would hit upwards of 90C, and of course they eventually RROD'd.. Caps are the only thing that is really rated for max temp of 85C in a system. Most processors/GPU/silicon can take 105C without any issues, and have heatsinks and fans to improve cooling directly to that silicon. Generally the cooler its running, the better. Pb-free Solder gets into a plasticity range, which means its easily malleable, so you can easily cold joint or short tiny BGA points. Namely the hotter it runs the lighter the jarring has to be to screw the system up, due to the solder.

Recommend some compressed air, a phillips head screwdriver, a lint-free cloth, maybe a dry paintbrush, and 5 minutes of your time to clean it out. It'll likely get 3-5C better temps from just that. Aside from that, larger fans run slower to move the same amount of air - so they appear quieter.

[articuno1au]

The launch 360's had those temperature issues primarily due to a build defect.

Flash on linux is god awful though. It thrashes the system to output via software rendering.

[articuno1au]

My god, the ignorance..

There's been dozens of security audits that show open source software can contain as many if not more exploits than closed software.

The idea of open source being more secure is only as good as the people checking it. In general open source software is audited less than close sourced software (after all, how do you sue an open source project..).

Just being open source doesn't make it inherently safer. In a lot of ways it can make it worse (submitting malicious code embedded in other code to hide it).

Cost of ownership of Linux has been shown to be greater on average. You may remember a certain US president telling everyone that the government shouldn't pay for software, beginning to deploy Linux and doing a sudden about face on the issue?

Should look up the reason he made that decision.

Stop throwing out blanket statements like that :\ Horses for courses..

[Eins.MY]

cons for windows: - costs A LOT of money - viruses/spyware/trojans....

i got windows 8 pro for $15 during promo

best.investment.ever

[thechronic]

While i prefer Windows over Linux because of the availability of Software and Games, Linux has never really given me any issues apart from the occasional driver problem. The biggest issue after that for me is Flash Support. Otherwise, not one problem and i'd be using it daily.

[]SK[]

It was a valid question but one I guess that has hit home and hit a nerve.

Are you saying then paying less for something means you have a better product? Certainly in my experiences you generally pay more for a better quality in everything.

[corrosive23]

(my canon lide20/30 scanner works on linux but not on windows 7 anymore because they refuse to still support it driver wise - imagine that!!!)

Did you even look to see if there was a driver? Or are you just spouting fud to back your case?

[c.grz]

besides your childish insults can you counter argue the fact that windows costs money and linux not?! open your eyes... it's a fact damnit... but maybe for you the sky is also green ... :wacko:

Cost is not just about money!! Like I said; time spent is a cost.

How much money is your time worth? I'd say at $100 dollars for Windows; after 4 hours of dealing with Linux; it has now "cost" me more than just paying the $100 for Windows.

[+Red King Subscriber²]

Had HW issues as well with Linux.

Couldn't figure out how to enabled Linux version of DXVA2. Still don't know how.

Surely wasn't OOTB enabled for me.

[neo1911]

Linux was always annoying right from its inception.

[Kami-]

1. no, we can't. no matter if you are ****-poor or a billionaire windows still costs some 100 dollars (?) or so and linux is for free.

2. macosx is not open source. the fact that linux is open source makes it per se more difficult to hack/attack/run viruses on. this is a fact no matter how big the target group is. with bigger target group even more people would start to write/check code afaik.

1. So it has a cost, many services have a cost - you named it 'expensive' - I negated that choice of wording based on financial situation of the person in question. You'll also note that Linux doesn't mean free, you can purchase it on CD for a fee, you can buy support for it for a fee... There are costs to using Linux too (hardware, etc).

2. No MacOSX isn't 'open source', you're right... what you are forgetting is the fact both MacOSX and Linux are Unix based (oh noes!). Also open source doesn't inherently ensure that the platform is secure, look at Andriod for example. There are many exploits available to run on Linux right this very second - but once again we fall back to the target markets. Windows being the bigger (most used) platform, shines through as the primary target for profitability of exploitation.

Thanks for the laughs though ;)

[articuno1au]

and again, this is a non-issue. if you are not a console hating hardcore gamer who loves to throw money out of the window anyway, then there is no reason not to use linux. ubuntu, fedora, opensuse... they all work out of the box and you can do everything you can do with windows, most things even better/faster. i dont blame you if you cant get arch to work, but there are very simple and easy distros out there. (my canon lide20/30 scanner works on linux but not on windows 7 anymore because they refuse to still support it driver wise - imagine that!!!)

I love consoles, but I find PCs to be a significantly different experience and play different games on my PC. The customisation of the PC is important, as is its modular design.

The reason not to use Linux in this case is that driver support is less than adequate. OpenGL despite executing on a faster base (Linux is (for a lot of things) faster than Windows) slower to execute because there's poor driver support for OpenGL and Linux. Even when OpenGL catches up to DirectX in driver support, there is still the issue that DirectX is entrenched in the market (for a damn good reason might I add). This will not change anytime soon when you consider the PS4 and 360 both run DirectX rather than OpenGL.

The only company pushing Linux atm is Valve. Whilst RARE/ID et all have support Linux as a platform, they are but a small part of the ecosystem.

Although Microsoft dropped support for the old scanning protocols in 7, you'll never guess, your scanner supports the new ones. Simply run the driver install in compatibility mode, or learn how to actually install drivers on Windows.

Toms hardware has a link to a work around, and I've got the driver in front of me if you want to do it the easy way.

Literally EVERYTHING you have said thus far has been dubious in nature and intent. You are the kind of Linux user that gives the community a bad name. A technological elitist without the wherewithal to realise that "the other side" has experts who know the stuff you don't. Linux has it's uses and it by all measures a great operating system, but it's not the second coming of Christ.

Had HW issues as well with Linux.

Couldn't figure out how to enabled Linux version of DXVA2. Still don't know how.

Surely wasn't OOTB enabled for me.

That's probably because DXVA is a Windows technology leveraging DirectX which cannot be installed on Linux >.> (I know about the port project..)

There is hardware acceleration, but it's generally codec specific and driver reliant, where as in Windows there are some work arounds to make it a little less nasty..

You can hardware accelerate video in Linux, it's just a little more.. involved.

EDIT::

Just checked, VDPAU is only supported by nVidia cards at the moment.. (I'm not sure if the project has been deprecated or if that's changed, but it's the newest info I can find).

There may be work arounds for ATI cards, but I don't know >.>

EDIT 2::

There is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Video_Bitstream_Acceleration

Different project and apparently under supported, but it exists.

[Kreuger]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on both points. Both Max Norris and Haggis have been active in the Linux section here for at least the last year - possibly longer, but I have a short memory. As for sound the sound quality issues, I have had problems with sound distortion and relatively low maximum volume before. I don't think that it's a distro-specific problem though - it's an issue with the support of certain sound cards. (Actually, the only computer that I have ever had Linux audio issues with was my PowerBook G4 running Debian Squeeze.)

Granted, I haven't been around much the last year or two. As I said, it's not entirely relevant. I guess you're right about the sound cards, it depends on the type. I've got a Creative Audigy 2ZS in my desktop for the last 10 yrs (Ive moved it when upgrading) and had no issues, ever. And the last 3 laptops I've used Linux on, had no issues that weren't caused by low end spearks.

Let's not ruin it now, guys. This has been a good debate so far, don't drag it down.

Thank you for keeping an eye on this.

yeah, occasionally i like to play games on facebook with family, all the games are flash based

These games are horrid. When I play Candy Crush Saga on my phone/tablet they both overheat like crazy. I mean you can feel it through the chasis of both. And my phone has an otterbox on it. So that's a lot of freaking heat.

My god, the ignorance..

There's been dozens of security audits that show open source software can contain as many if not more exploits than closed software.

This isn't the full story. The thing is, most viruses can't run at sytem level due to requirement of root. Most exploits would only affect the current user's home directory (like My Docs on Win). AFAIK, this is something Microsoft has only started implementing since Vista (IE can't install software without being an admin).

Couldn't figure out how to enabled Linux version of DXVA2. Still don't know how.

Sorry pal, but this is a Microsoft developed product. Don't ever expect it to play nice.

The biggest issue I see, that has plagued the community for as long as I've been involved, and longer is that people expect it to behave exactly like Windows. And while that's a logical expectation, it simply isn't true. It'd be like getting into a standard car without ever driving and expecting it to work without having to shift..

[Barney T. Administrators]

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[yardmanflex]

cons for windows:

- costs A LOT of money

- viruses/spyware/trojans....

You need to stop visiting those porn sites....

[Barney T. Administrators]

Enough.

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