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#136 +imachip

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 23:29

Personally, that's the most annoying post I've read on Neowin for slagging off other opinions with slangoistic terms.

I don't think you need to be rich to afford an internet connection these days and I'm sure stable internet is hardly a worry for most of the population. You can get a line plus broadband in the UK for as little as £5 per month or tether off your mobile.

You may have a point about long term playability of games but until we reach such a cut-off honestly no one really knows how long they can support the service for?

Gamers have grown up like myself playing numerously similar titles. We do have to keep in mind that games/consoles are aimed for the low to mid-teen market and thus our opinion might be a little too seasoned. I can't believe you ever didn't buy into the hype when you were younger. I mean in those days we only got magazines to showcase games and I really got a lot of naff titles which were far worse than Halo X or Call of Duty X.

To all the morons here that see it as "no biggie", especially the retards with the Xbox Live avatards and signaturds, pop your heads out of your ass for a second and think a little bigger than your simpleton "I have a stable connection and I'm rich so no worries" approach and think what happens in 20 years when you want to replay your favorite game but MS has shut down the servers because there are already 3 generations of console ahead. Are you seriously that thick in the head? :rolleyes:

Oh wait, why would you want to do that anyway? I see the error of my logic. Who would want to replay the "classics" such Gears of War clone 128731289379 or Halo or Call a Doody 1239871203896712089376120938671293867? :rolleyes:

**** you. **** you and **** your entire "gaming" generation. You are a shame for humanity.




#137 Blackhearted

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 23:36

Why would you need to download blu-ray sized game of their server when the whole point is that the game comes pre-downloaded on the disk if you buy the disk version. and if not. doesn't take that long to download 10-25GB on modern broadband, if you buy it online or just start the download at another console while doing something else. and the XBL service poor? it's the fastest download service around, and unlike competitors, they have very little variation in the speed, they're fast when few peopel download and they're fast when there's a big release, unlike another service that slows to a crawl whenever there's a big release.


You mentioned downloading and playing without a disk. Which would lead one to think you were talking about downloading the games entirely via the internet(like how you said you'd want to do 'at a friends house').

Fastest around? Not really. Though i do agree on the little variance part. Back when i first got my 360 i had a 10mbit/sec connection. It wouldn't even max that out. Now i have a 15mbit/sec connection. And it still doesn't even come close to hitting the speed i had 2 years ago. So you're right, it doesn't vary much.

WTF? You are the first person I have seen complaining about XBL download speeds. That is one thing Microsoft always did right, XBL downloads are rarely slow (and have never been slow for me personally).


Well, i guess it may depend on what you call slow. I have a mere 15mbit/sec line, and xbl usually struggles to hit even half that speed most of the time(downloads tend to take 2-4x longer than they should). Unlike say, steam, that almost always maxes out my modest connection. So if you're happy with say, only 5mbps(give or take a little) on your downloads, then yea, you wouldn't have a problem.

#138 BajiRav

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 23:41

You mentioned downloading and playing without a disk. Which would lead one to think you were talking about downloading the games entirely via the internet(like how you said you'd want to do 'at a friends house').

Fastest around? Not really. Though i do agree on the little variance part. Back when i first got my 360 i had a 10mbit/sec connection. It wouldn't even max that out. Now i have a 15mbit/sec connection. And it still doesn't even come close to hitting the speed i had 2 years ago. So you're right, it doesn't vary much.



Well, i guess it may depend on what you call slow. I have a mere 15mbit/sec line, and xbl usually struggles to hit even half that speed most of the time(downloads tend to take 2-4x longer than they should). Unlike say, steam, that almost always maxes out my modest connection. So if you're happy with say, only 5mbps(give or take a little) on your downloads, then yea, you wouldn't have a problem.

15/5 FiOS here man and the truth is XBL is always fast for me(used to have 25/25).

#139 HawkMan

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 23:42

Somethings wrong on your end. XBL downloads does not max out at 5Mbps. it'll max out as much as I let it on my 22(18)Mbps line. and the speeds you get on 50-100Mb fiber is just awesome.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:13

Somethings wrong on your end. XBL downloads does not max out at 5Mbps. it'll max out as much as I let it on my 22(18)Mbps line. and the speeds you get on 50-100Mb fiber is just awesome.


I wonder the same thing tbh. I tried directly connecting to ISP without modem, still slow as snail, lol. So I am wondering if it is my ISP being dick about XBOX Live.

#141 The_Decryptor

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:47

Xbox Live and Origin have always been very slow for me, and never come close to maxing out my connection. I've had the Xbox take 2 hours to download a 30MB update, and Origin once took 3 days to download a 10GB game (That's about 300Kbps)

Anyway, I'd take this rumor with a gain of salt, the whole reason it started in the first place was people misreading an image about background updates and took that to mean always online DRM, so gaming websites have taken that basically as fact and run with it.

#142 George P

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:57

Xbox Live and Origin have always been very slow for me, and never come close to maxing out my connection. I've had the Xbox take 2 hours to download a 30MB update, and Origin once took 3 days to download a 10GB game (That's about 300Kbps)

Anyway, I'd take this rumor with a gain of salt, the whole reason it started in the first place was people misreading an image about background updates and took that to mean always online DRM, so gaming websites have taken that basically as fact and run with it.


Yeah, honestly the knee-jerk reaction is at epic levels and connections are being made with no proof just anonymous rumors. So far we know or expect that the next Xbox will share the same kernel as Win8 and WP. That alone brings with it the ability to be "always on" with features like connected standby which any of the new Win8 tablets have right now. Faster startup is also one thing to expect as well as multiprocessing and a more broad app/game store. It only seams reasonable to expect it to be able to auto update apps and games while it's sitting there late at night so you don't have to wait before you play like now.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 13:40

Honestly, I think the next Xbox will be pretty close to a Surface Pro, using Hyper-V for separation between the game, kernel/hardware and "dashboard" (Which would be more like the Win8 start screen, or just Win8 proper) They're half pushing HTML5 games via IE on the existing Xbox, integrating that into the base like on Win8 would go a long way towards allowing that.

Of course I could always be wrong, but unifying would help from a developer standpoint.

#144 sava700

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 13:47

hah...I think its funny, down with consoles anyway they are dragging PC Gaming into the hell they have become.

#145 Roxkis

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 14:08

If i can't play games offline then I won't buy the next xbox, flatout.
Do i have a reliable internet connection most the time? Yes, but its not up 100% of the time.
If my internet goes down, I don't want my xbox to be a paperweight.

I will buy a gaming system that suits my needs.
(One such need being offline play)
If the next Xbox does not meet my needs, I have no problem spending my money on a gaming system that does.


Also, an always online Xbox does not compare to Steam.
Steam has a offline mode that doesn't remove your ability
to play games you have bought should you lose internet connectivity.

#146 MorganX

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:24

We do have to keep in mind that games/consoles are aimed for the low to mid-teen market and thus our opinion might be a little too seasoned.


Are you sure? I think the average gamer is 30-something.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:41

Are you sure? I think the average gamer is 30-something.

Indeed, I think the last time I looked it up for something I was writing awhile back, it was 36 or close to that age.

I get peoples arguments that most people are always online these days. But there are those even in the states that are not, and never-mind in other countries where people have download limits, etc. I just do not think the entire world yet has the infrastructure to say anything HAS to always be online. We are at least a full decade out from where everyone on the planet can be part of something like that easily and affordably.

#148 Avi Patel

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:44

I'll be laughing my ass off when all of these rumors are proven false.
I will laugh at the journalists and all of those people taking these rumors as true and instantly claiming ps4 victory.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:47

There is no inherit benefit to being always online on a console, it should be the users choice if they wish to play connected to the internet or not. People move houses, people have internet outages, people have unreliable connections (even satellite broadband), people travel on holiday/army service/to visit relatives who do not have internet access, people have dialup, people live in developing countries, people live under broadband monopolies (australia with high prices/low caps?) and the people's list goes on.

Mix those occurrences with the majority of adults working in full time jobs, 9-5 or more each week, and yeah missing out on your small daily/weekly 30 minute window of gaming due to 1~3 of the internet outages you get a year IS going to **** you off if all you planned to do was play a SP game. It was unnecessary for you to miss out, you've been playing single player games for 20 years with or without your internet access, and now you can't? For what good?

It is one further step closer to completely removing ownership of a product you've bought by enforcing draconian DRM. It's fine saying you cannot use PSN/XBL without agreeing to conditions, but you cannot use your console at all unless you have internet access?

It's an increasingly grim time to be a gamer if this goes through/becomes standard. You are a very ignorant person if you believe the world revolves around you, your home and your internet connection. Gaming was brought about to try and involve gamers of all ages and locations, not you and your United States of America (not a dig at America, it just seems as if large amounts OF Americans forget about the rest of the world).

Lastly if this all turns out to be untrue, it was not simply a waste of time, this gives these companies a clear indication of how annoyed they will make lots of customers if they turn to such anti-consumerist approaches.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 18:29

Boogies rage video is getting a lot of views, but his genuine one is better