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#46 -Razorfold

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:46

How about Microsoft Creative Director defending "always-on" on twitter and being a dick to everyone? He in-adherently confirms its. Why else would he choose to defend it to such an extent.

Who cares about what he defends? He may have his own ideals, doesn't mean the Xbox will be based on what he likes.

As for being a dick maybe he's just tired of the constant rumors. What he says petty and pathetic, I agree, but let's face it tech news nowadays seems to be all about getting as many rumors as possible and making articles for hits. Hell the Kotaku article title makes it seem as if its certain even though they say well we have an un-named source that says it does require it, but we also have an un-named source that says it doesn't.

Look at the iPhone. A couple of months before the next iPhone is released there's like 6 billion rumors that suddenly spawn out of nowhere and every single one of them gets posted on every single tech site. And then the next iPhone is announced and 99.99% of those rumors were bull****.

No the rumour is that you need to be online to start the game AND continue to play it, if you lose connection after 3 minutes the game will be suspended and a network troubleshooter will start, that doesn't sound like devkit functionality to me, why would a devkit pause a game and start network troubleshooter.

And that very same article that came up with that goes onto to say well we have sources that say you don't. Still the Kotaku title says "OH GOD IT WILL HAVE ALWAYS ON."


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:48

Now you're just pulling **** out of your ass. There is no possible way you can know this. You are now merely resorting to making excuses for Microsoft.

So far 3 developers have confirmed it, another is a bit ambiguous for obvious reasons and the Microsoft director is being a dick about the whole issue. The signs are there.

Actually, if you combine all the rumors about this supposed online required, and every games needs to be installed and no disc required. What you get is that every game is essentially a Digital Download. and the disc is merely a pre-packaged download, possibly with an embedded license key.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:48

So how did superDaE have one then, he was posting screenshots of the software on the machine, everything I've read and heard about nextbox points to this kind of functionality. A developer doesn't need to have an always on connection and they certainly don't need something as consumer friendly as a network troubleshooter.

If all the rumours are true the nextbox is just a trainwreck waiting to happen, its an anti-consumer machine purely made to pander to content creators.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:57

ANYWAY; The problem is not only "If my Internet connection is down" or "If the ISP is down" but rather like with the case of EA; what if the servers are getting hammered or down. Will I have to wait 30 minutes in line to play?

We now have 3 things that can go wrong. My connection, the ISP and Microsoft's servers. If ANY one of these goes down I can not play my single player game.


There's a problem with that assumption. MS already has a lot pof experience with this on their live server, and while they have had issues with many users in the past on big game launches, those two incidents(mostly one of them) caused them to have massive hardware upgrades to keep the servers far ahead of what's needed. and more importantly. EA had servers for one single game. with unexpected load. MS will w\know how many Xbox Next are sold, and how many xboxes they need to be able to handle, and since if this rumor is true, every game needs to do a check, they will need to be able to handle all of them anyway, so this won't be a problem

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:06

Phew... it could have been worse, it could have required an offline connection to play instead!

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:06

is that the twitter exchange that has NOTHING to do with this durango dev kit based rumor about needing to be online to start games on the durango prototype dev kit. :facepalm:


The thread title is "Kotaku: Next Xbox will require online connection to start games" - this was a Twitter discussion on the same freaking subject. I didn't realise you were on some substrand of discussion that made my post invalid. Jesus H.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:09

Actually, if you combine all the rumors about this supposed online required, and every games needs to be installed and no disc required. What you get is that every game is essentially a Digital Download. and the disc is merely a pre-packaged download, possibly with an embedded license key.


Well in my opinion, his reaction to the "always-on" is either that;

A) It is true and this is preliminary damage control, or

B) The constant rumors have gotten to him and he is now lashing.

I believe his reaction says that this is happening and that people inside MS are confused and flustered by how people have reacted to the rumors. Time will tell; but and if it is true then people will not like it. That is certain. And the only reason I personally do not like it, looking past all the things that could go wrong, is that I can not understand why my single player X-box games need to be always-on.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:24

As for being a dick maybe he's just tired of the constant rumors. What he says petty and pathetic, I agree


And maybe we are too, which is why having clarification would be much better than being a tool and angering people. Even so, if he wants to be petty, that's absolutely fine. The gaming community along with tech enthusiasts however can be just as petty. Even if this whole thing becomes some blown out of proportion misunderstanding, you better believe this will still leave a bad taste in people's mouths. I know there are quite a few people teetering on the fence about what nex-gen console they'll be getting, myself included.

Things like this, along with an apparently incompetent PR team at Microsoft in handling the situation as a whole will certainly help establish a confident choice in which console people will be buying.

(of course I don't speak for everyone, and no, I'm still on the fence, but I can't help but laugh at this whole debacle to begin with)

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:25

How about Microsoft Creative Director defending "always-on" on twitter and being a dick to everyone? He in-adherently confirms its. Why else would he choose to defend it to such an extent.


As someone said earlier, could this not actually be MS throwing it out there to get a reaction and see how people see it? If it was something that annoyed people they wouldn't really argue back but if people truly hate a feature then yes they will do exactly this. My opinion is he was pushing for a reaction and got exactly what he wanted.

To all the morons here that see it as "no biggie", especially the retards with the Xbox Live avatards and signaturds, pop your heads out of your ass for a second and think a little bigger than your simpleton "I have a stable connection and I'm rich so no worries" approach and think what happens in 20 years when you want to replay your favorite game but MS has shut down the servers because there are already 3 generations of console ahead. Are you seriously that thick in the head? :rolleyes:

Oh wait, why would you want to do that anyway? I see the error of my logic. Who would want to replay the "classics" such Gears of War clone 128731289379 or Halo or Call a Doody 1239871203896712089376120938671293867? :rolleyes:

**** you. **** you and **** your entire "gaming" generation. You are a shame for humanity.


In all honesty, why? This is a forum where you are to give YOUR OPINION on something. If in MY OPINION it doesn't affect me, then I have ever right to say you know what, my xbox is constantly connected to the internet anyway, my internet connection is pretty stable so thankfully if this RUMOUR is true then it won't affect me. Nothing in that statement says I agree with what they are doing nor support it. But when I prefer the xbox due to things like stability and what seems to be a near perfect connection when I am gaming online so be it!

Not to change the topic here but If I could actually play an online game on my PS3 for longer then 20 minutes without dropping I may be more inclined to look at the PS4. But if MS are adopting an always online stance, and given recent issues with EA etc With Xbox current stability rate you can damn well guarantee that they will do their best to ensure there is NEVER a failure and I have to say, I trust that it will continue to work as well as it does. Sony couldnt push a feature like this as the damn PSN is so bloody flaky.

Well in my opinion, his reaction to the "always-on" is either that;

A) It is true and this is preliminary damage control, or

B) The constant rumors have gotten to him and he is now lashing.

I believe his reaction says that this is happening and that people inside MS are confused and flustered by how people have reacted to the rumors. Time will tell; but and if it is true then people will not like it. That is certain. And the only reason I personally do not like it, looking past all the things that could go wrong, is that I can not understand why my single player X-box games need to be always-on.


Like I said above, I think this was intentional goading to spark opinion. I don't think he was being arrogant with his responses, to me he just seemed like he may actually have a sense of humour and was more making fun of what is a stupid argument over a rumour that as people have pointed out, may or may not be true!

Do I like the theory of having to have an always on connection so I can play a game - no, its just asking for issues
Will it stop me buying what I believe will be the better console - defiantly not, if it was in place now it would have little to no affect on me - however as others have pointed out, that is not the same for all.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:35

So how did superDaE have one then, he was posting screenshots of the software on the machine, everything I've read and heard about nextbox points to this kind of functionality. A developer doesn't need to have an always on connection and they certainly don't need something as consumer friendly as a network troubleshooter.

If all the rumours are true the nextbox is just a trainwreck waiting to happen, its an anti-consumer machine purely made to pander to content creators.

Err. why wouldn't the dev kit need a network troubleshooter. just because they're devs doesn't mean they can do whatever they want in the hardware and/or are network gurus. and when they're testing the games they're developing, they don't want to have to go out into network land. besides the xbox already have the torubleshooter, why would they remove it for the dev kit... your arguments here make no sense.

#56 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:23

Seriously?

Why have a 3 minute disconnect timer on a DEVELOPMENT KIT, can you imagine trying to find bugs or testing something and boom you are booted from the game, it doesn't make sense to gimp a dev kit like that.

I can't wait till they reveal all this stuff so your smug, condescending attitude gets wiped off your face.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:31

Err. why wouldn't the dev kit need a network troubleshooter. just because they're devs doesn't mean they can do whatever they want in the hardware and/or are network gurus. and when they're testing the games they're developing, they don't want to have to go out into network land. besides the xbox already have the torubleshooter, why would they remove it for the dev kit... your arguments here make no sense.


A network troubleshooter is meant for you typical ignorant consumer. A dev isn't(or atleast shouldn't be) one of those kind of people so such a thing wouldn't serve much purpose.

Also, the level you have your microsoft fan mode set on in this thread is kinda tiring.

#58 HawkMan

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:35

why ? haven't we already covered this or are you just arguing to argue. for fricken security.

Why would it be wiped off my face. I don't care if it's just a dev kit security feature or if it's how the final kit will work, I've already covered this several times. If this always on is actually true and all thegames work as downloadable games, man that would be awesome, I could play my games on both xboxes in the house, without bringing the discs back and forth. I could play my games at a friends house just by logging in.

A network troubleshooter is meant for you typical ignorant consumer. A dev isn't(or atleast shouldn't be) one of those kind of people so such a thing wouldn't serve much purpose.

Also, the level you have your microsoft fan mode set on in this thread is kinda tiring.


So I'm a fanboy because I don't hate MS and Xbox now ? yes I like Xbox, and yes I don't see the big issue here. in fact I see a lot of potential OR a lot of nothing. those are pretty much the options.

So again, you're saying. MS should disable easy functionality in the xbox dev kits just because they're dev kits... yeah that makes sense.... do you guys even think about this before arguing ? And no, being a developer doesn't mean you know jack **** about networks. and game testers in special, they don't need to know jack **** about anything.

#59 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:39

A network troubleshooter is meant for you typical ignorant consumer. A dev isn't(or atleast shouldn't be) one of those kind of people so such a thing wouldn't serve much purpose.

That's what I was trying to say.

#60 Skiver

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:41

A network troubleshooter is meant for you typical ignorant consumer. A dev isn't(or atleast shouldn't be) one of those kind of people so such a thing wouldn't serve much purpose.

Also, the level you have your microsoft fan mode set on in this thread is kinda tiring.


So developers are some sort of tech geniuses? Because they understand a wonderful world of coding then surely they understand everything else related to the world of IT.

In all honesty this is how most "ignorant" people view the world of IT... Oh you work with computers - then you defiantly must know how to fix my printer problem.

I can't speak for every developer in the world but I work for a software company and I can tell you now, our developers are a clever bunch of people and they are good at what they do. But that does not mean they know everything, some of them still need help with what may seem like a simple task to another person.

Same goes for me, I know pieces of our software inside out and could easily discuss how and what is possible with it. Could I setup a network printer without help from google? probably not. That doesn't make me or the developers "ignorant"... we know what we need to know to get us through our job.



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