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#1 yo popcaan

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:56

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#2 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:01

The last thing I'd want would be for Microsoft to reintroduce the Start Menu. I'd much rather see it work on improving the usability issues with the Start Screen and Metro apps, which could be easily addressed by a) making the taskbar always visible and displaying running Metro apps, and b) allowing Metro apps to run in a window.

#3 OP yo popcaan

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:10

The last thing I'd want would be for Microsoft to reintroduce the Start Menu. I'd much rather see it work on improving the usability issues with the Start Screen and Metro apps, which could be easily addressed by a) making the taskbar always visible and displaying running Metro apps, and b) allowing Metro apps to run in a window.


I respect your choice but many of us prefer the non-metro UI for practical reasons. Metro UI has proven to be an annoyance to those who enjoy working out of the box. Now with Metro rumored as being the only choice we will have in Windows Blue, I can imagine that Microsoft is basically telling its userbase: "If you don't like this, f-off". This is especially bad when Metro did not go as well as expected, Windows 7's OS support won't last forever, Ubuntu is finally beginning to be supported by AAA tech companies such as Valve, AMD and Dell.

Top technology CEOs share my opinion. Windows 8 is a failure and there is no going back unless some big changes are made from the inside.

Windows is trying to create a unified platform but will fail so miserably. I hope they see this because the day those arrogant executives get laid-off, they will remember how they thought they could tell us what to do, just like Apple (watch them die a slow death).

#4 Barney T.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:15

Moved to Windows Discussion.

#5 francescob

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:25

"Let Microsoft know what we want"
Too bad that, as every programmer knows, users don't actually know what they want. Listening directly to any user feedback that isn't regarding some very specific issue is the key to the biggest failures.

#6 MikeChipshop

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:26

Comon Neowin guys! Can't you see that this post is intended to start another flame war? If the OP wanted to post this, he could have in any one of the numerous Windows 8 bashing posts, but to give it a thread of its own is just inciting the same old flame war over and over again.

#7 OP yo popcaan

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:34

"Let Microsoft know what we want"
Too bad that, as every programmer knows, users don't actually know what they want. Listening directly to any user feedback that isn't regarding some very specific issue is the key to the biggest failures.


Apple didn't listen directly to user feedback. Look at it now. Arrogantly losing millions every minute. $423? haha

Comon Neowin guys! Can't you see that this post is intended to start another flame war? If the OP wanted to post this, he could have in any one of the numerous Windows 8 bashing posts, but to give it a thread of its own is just inciting the same old flame war over and over again.


So thread about an opinion is inciting a flame war? Welcome to the internet, where people share opinions. You also have to choice to click on links or not.

#8 francescob

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:38

Apple didn't listen directly to user feedback. Look at it now. Arrogantly losing millions every minute. $423? haha

Not listening directly to user feedback doesn't mean not listening to user feedbacks at all. There are market researches, designers, consultants and analysts to filter the user input. Here's a nice related comic. And another one.

#9 +Phouchg

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:46

I'd argue that AAPL isn't losing their millions because of not listening but due to economics being some bubble chain reaction phantom pyramid bullcrap that somebody just made up.
If St. Jobs didn't have to visit the Old Hob, it would keep growing.

#10 OP yo popcaan

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:47

Not listening directly to user feedback doesn't mean not listening to user feedbacks at all. There are market researches, designers, consultants and analysts to filter the user input. Here's a nice related comic. And another one.


Well, looks like Google knows how to do stuff. At least they don't come up with excuses. I still think Apple is arrogant like Steve Jobs, no question there.

#11 ingramator

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:48

Awkward moment when 99% "classic UI" is still in Windows 8 so I don't really see the point?

#12 francescob

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:55

Well, looks like Google knows how to do stuff. At least they don't come up with excuses. I still think Apple is arrogant like Steve Jobs, no question there.

Stock Android has been horrible for a long while, it was mostly the manufacturers that knew what they were doing before Google started getting things right. Microsoft had their hands tied on Windows 8 because tablets keep eating away PC market and since the trend didn't seem to slow down they had to release W8 in a rush to let the PC manufacturer put on sale similar products. The reason people are forced to Metro is to push the adoption of the W8 Marketplace and therefore push developers to release more Windows 8 metro apps that can be used on tablet-form PCs. Microsoft probably knows better than any else what they did and why users are extremely angry with how bad the Metro interface is on desktop/laptops, but it was either screwing the users or losing even more market/manufacturers due to tablets.

#13 Arceles

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:56

I think that ubuntu is really taking advantage of all this Windows 8 bad implementation, and that's wonderful, if linux could unite all their forces primarily onto that OS... is almost as if the infrastructure is already set, steam is there, amd is really helping and the gaming community always like to stay onto the latest of the latest, which currently is win8 or win7, direct x crumbling (a bit) opengl rising... it seems the days of one OS suppressing others are counted.

#14 Dot Matrix

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:06

Microsoft needs to move on and evolve from the classic Windows. Technology isn't evolving backwards, it moves forwards, and that's what needs to happen with Windows and Office. Adding back all the legacy junk that has been removed wouldn't fix anything, and only add a billion and one more problems.

The desktop is still present and accounted for, in Windows 8, and it will be in Windows 9 as well. No one is forcing you to use Metro apps, but you can't argue that the Start Screen isn't beneficial to all PC users, because it finally breaks free of the cramped menu system that should have been killed after XP. Pin your desktop apps to it, and carry on. It's quite simple, really.

#15 Windows Nashville

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:15

Microsoft needs to move on and evolve from the classic Windows. Technology isn't evolving backwards, it moves forwards, and that's what needs to happen with Windows and Office. Adding back all the legacy junk that has been removed wouldn't fix anything, and only add a billion and one more problems.

The desktop is still present and accounted for, in Windows 8, and it will be in Windows 9 as well. No one is forcing you to use Metro apps, but you can't argue that the Start Screen isn't beneficial to all PC users, because it finally breaks free of the cramped menu system that should have been killed after XP. Pin your desktop apps to it, and carry on. It's quite simple, really.


You don't actually know Microsoft's plans, so don't talk as if anything is set in stone. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Start Menu return in Windows 9. The opening poster's point is a good one and plenty of us would like to see it happen.



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