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#31 1941

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:44

MS does not care what the users want. They will do what they please. Some people like Windows 8 and that is their choice, but all I see are tweaking programs to make it look like 7. If MS would have offered a choice of either booting into the Metro or into a GUI like Windows 7, there would not be all of this hate towards Windows 8.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:46

I still don't see why they can't just put both on there and make everyone happy....


Are you saying you actually use the Start menu on the Desktop? You shouldn't be according to Microsoft Research! /s

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:51

Many people what....sit within an arms reach of their monitors while working? Got a source for that...aside from your own method? Guess you think the viewing distances are the same for 4in and 24in screens? Both at work and at home I am not within an arms reach of my monitors.

Touch screen does have its place in healthcare (where I primarily work)...for things like vitals/patient notes. However, things requiring longer notes (like radiology diagnosis) .... though dictaphones are getting better (though radiologist still need to go in a change misinterpreted words).


I sit in an office everyday that has almost 400 developers in cubes with monitors that are very much close enough to touch. In fact. many of them are setup such that the back of the keyboard nearly touches the base of the monitor. I use a keyboard tray on my desk but even then, I can still easily reach out and touch the monitor. How far to you THINK office workers sit from their monitor?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:51

I still don't see why they can't just put both on there and make everyone happy....


No doubt...and that is the kicker of the whole Windows 8 fiasco. I would have upgraded...but do not care for a full screen program launcher nor do I want a 3rd party start menu.

Will be interesting to see the adoption rate now that Win8 has gone full price...compared to that of Vista and Win7.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:51

Many people what....sit within an arms reach of their monitors while working? Got a source for that...aside from your own method? Guess you think the viewing distances are the same for 4in and 24in screens? Both at work and at home I am not within an arms reach of my monitors.

Touch screen does have its place in healthcare (where I primarily work)...for things like vitals/patient notes. However, things requiring longer notes (like radiology diagnosis) .... though dictaphones are getting better (though radiologist still need to go in a change misinterpreted words).

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No, many people already sit right in front of their monitors.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:52

You don't actually know Microsoft's plans, so don't talk as if anything is set in stone. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Start Menu return in Windows 9. The opening poster's point is a good one and plenty of us would like to see it happen.


I wouldn't be suprised If Microsoft forced everyone to develop for the metro UI rather than classic UI, and remove desktop completely, or make it much similar to what windows 2000 did with dos/command prompt.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:53

The last thing I'd want would be for Microsoft to reintroduce the Start Menu. I'd much rather see it work on improving the usability issues with the Start Screen and Metro apps, which could be easily addressed by a) making the taskbar always visible and displaying running Metro apps, and b) allowing Metro apps to run in a window.


Agreed, this would make metro a lot better and would make things feel much more consistent.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:57

There are many more, this is just a short list of my commonly used shortcuts that take less time than clicking through menus to bring things up.

The simplest of them all has been present since Vista and it is widely underutilized: Tap WinKey and start typing to search the Start Menu (Vista, 7) or Start Screen (8).


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:58

?? XP is still receiving updates, Vista and 7 are not going to be dropped any time soon


XP is still getting security patches. Nothing more. Those will end promptly on April 8th, 2014. Exactly one year from today.

Vista is also in extended support, which will end on April 11th, 2017. Expect no major updates here.

Windows 7 WITH SP1 has mainstream support until January 13th, 2015, after which it will also enter the extended support phase, and will receive security updates until January 14th, 2020. Expect no major updates after the 2015 date.

http://www.zdnet.com...ice-7000013560/

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 13:01

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No, many people already sit right in front of their monitors.

I sit in an office everyday that has almost 400 developers in cubes with monitors that are very much close enough to touch. In fact. many of them are setup such that the back of the keyboard nearly touches the base of the monitor. I use a keyboard tray on my desk but even then, I can still easily reach out and touch the monitor. How far to you THINK office workers sit from their monitor?


Well ok then :) . Guess my 17 years of experience has been vastly different to where most people have desk sitting far enough away (where touching the monitor would be a hindrance) as to not be on top of their monitors....especially the past couple of years where standard monitors move from 17 to 22 inches.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 13:06

Awkward moment when 99% "classic UI" is still in Windows 8 so I don't really see the point?


I actually have to agree with you 100% on this one. I'm one to discuss/debate anything viable, but this, this is a nonsense post. The desktop is there, Metro is there, and you can buy or use a free Start Menu replacement. Yeah, that's inconvenient, but given the vitriol of the OP, it's just pure flame bait.

I sit in an office everyday that has almost 400 developers in cubes with monitors that are very much close enough to touch. In fact. many of them are setup such that the back of the keyboard nearly touches the base of the monitor.\


I believe you. But, are you telling me 400 developers need or want to be touching their screens all day, when their hands have to be on a keyboard and mouse already?

Touch will compliment desktop applications in the right scenarios, it won't go further than that, and it never has. Touch and touchscreen monitors are NOT NEW.

Education especially K-elementary is another thing. It will also lead to consumers who don't use their computers much because of the Explorer UI to use basic functions much more.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 13:09

Well ok then :) . Guess my 17 years of experience has been vastly different to where most people have desk sitting far enough away (where touching the monitor would be a hindrance) as to not be on top of their monitors....especially the past couple of years where standard monitors move from 17 to 22 inches.


Sitting in front of my 22 inch monitor has yet to cause problems.

Also, browsing through the Workstation thread, I have yet to see a majority of the people there with a monitor beyond reaching range.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 13:10

Expect no major updates after the 2015 date.

that's fine, 7 is perfect, so it doesn't need "major updates", only security fixes. (Y)

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 13:17

that's fine, 7 is perfect, so it doesn't need "major updates", only security fixes. (Y)

I do agree, I like W7, but time goes fast, you cannot remain on W7 forever. It's like 98 when ME came out, then 2000 then XP, people clung to 98. I dare say there are still people using 98 as their main OS worldwide, but their numbers are so minute it'll be in the thousandths of a percent, and people were ADAMENT they'd never upgrade to XP. The same will be true of W7. When W8 came out I thought 'no, sod this', I've still not tried W8 but I installed Server 2012 in a VM and really I can't see what the fuss was about, OK so I do things differently like shutdown using command prompt.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 13:17

that's fine, 7 is perfect, so it doesn't need "major updates", only security fixes. (Y)


You say that now, but how many people out there will try ridiculous things like they did with XP? I can already see the complaints now as it's revealed that the next version of IE won't run on 7, the next version of DirectX won't run on 7, etc.

Then we'll see a plethora of silly experiments as users try to backport these technologies onto the OS like they tried to with XP, and fail miserably. Then we'll watch and laugh all over again, as Galen Gruman reveals his "Save Windows 7 Campaign".