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#31 Athernar

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 18:09

What sony is saying is it took them a year to make sure they don't have any bottlenecks,which is marketing speak. I responded that it took me all 30 minutes to pick out parts for a system that wont have any bottlenecks. get it now? we're not talking about designing things here,or manufacturing. they picked parts that have to work together. this doesn't take a year to do. it sounds like something nice to the uninformed,but its marketing and those who understand these things see right through this.

if the gpu is a modified gpu core,you start there,day 1. that's the only thing that's modified. everything else is off the shelf chips. cpu,ram,controllers,etc... so if starting with gpu,they took a year to carefully plan all the other components?


Where do you get the right to call people uninformed when you then go on to claim that "everything else" is off-the-shelf? Have you taken a look at the inside of a console before? Because I'm not sure if you've noticed but they tend to use bespoke mainboards along with custom SKUs or modified chips/chipsets that are directly soldered to said mainboard. There is nothing "off-the-shelf" about them.

Can you also honestly say you've built a gaming PC recently that could fit into a console form factor?

Seriously, I'm a hardcore PC-nut by the standards of some of the other posters in this thread, but you're just being ignorant.


#32 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 18:10

like i said,it doesn't matter if it has an extra ALU or whatever,in the end,each part also has a performance level. you look at each part and you match until theres no bottleneck. maybe you're talking about something completely different than me,but what im saying,the process of selecting the components to fit doesn't take as long as they make it seem.

How do you know the off the shelf cpu, custom gpu and custom added alu cruncher is going to work together in such a small enclosed space, its not something you can half ass as is evident with the 360 and RROD. Things can crop up over long term testing due to wear and tear and constant heating and cooling of components.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 18:55

Where do you get the right to call people uninformed when you then go on to claim that "everything else" is off-the-shelf? Have you taken a look at the inside of a console before? Because I'm not sure if you've noticed but they tend to use bespoke mainboards along with custom SKUs or modified chips/chipsets that are directly soldered to said mainboard. There is nothing "off-the-shelf" about them.

Can you also honestly say you've built a gaming PC recently that could fit into a console form factor?

Seriously, I'm a hardcore PC-nut by the standards of some of the other posters in this thread, but you're just being ignorant.


calm down. off the shelf doesn't necessarily mean you can buy it from bestbuy,it means its a product that's already designed and developed that you can order. you can buy a cpu that has pins to fit in a socket on a home build, or you can order the exact same cpu in on a BGA carrier to solder on your board to take up less space.pc boards usually have sockets and components are mounted on daughtercards so they take up so much room, so no one here is suggesting you can use these hefty socketed variants and fit them in a console sized box. you can use the exact same components in bga or other package though and fit them in a console.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 18:55

My N64 still rules, no bottlenecks bahaha :p

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 19:07

How do you know the off the shelf cpu, custom gpu and custom added alu cruncher is going to work together in such a small enclosed space, its not something you can half ass as is evident with the 360 and RROD. Things can crop up over long term testing due to wear and tear and constant heating and cooling of components.


ever heard of Thermal Design Power (TDP)??? components have this rating and this tells board assemblers what kind of cooling system they need to build. using this rating,they can exclude certain components and focus on the ones that fit the bill. If they start with their gpu for example, then they can act accordingly based on the size of the box they want to build and choose the other components.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 19:09

3. Runs WinRT apps


Really? I hadn't heard that. Not so sure that would be a good thing, but it is interesting. Can we assume Windows 8 will run NextBox games?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 19:12

calm down. off the shelf doesn't necessarily mean you can buy it from bestbuy,it means its a product that's already designed and developed that you can order. you can buy a cpu that has pins to fit in a socket on a home build, or you can order the exact same cpu in on a BGA carrier to solder on your board to take up less space.pc boards usually have sockets and components are mounted on daughtercards so they take up so much room, so no one here is suggesting you can use these hefty socketed variants and fit them in a console sized box. you can use the exact same components in bga or other package though and fit them in a console.

I think it's very likely that Microsoft will go with a custom APU route in the same manner that they with Xbox 360 and Sony will probably do the same. Microsoft would want to own the silicon so that they can make it on their "own".

Really? I hadn't heard that. Not so sure that would be a good thing, but it is interesting. Can we assume Windows 8 will run NextBox games?

It's a rumor and it can mean anything until Microsoft says one way or the other.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 19:19

Independent of the gameplay, itself, I was amazed at how at the technical ability of Final Fantasy XIII.
For a game that did not install to the hard drive, minimal loading times, and impressed how smooth the game loaded on the fly.


You should be able to cache the optical and HDD, preload in background, etc. I've been quite impressed with the graphics and performance of the Uncharted Series. Heavenly Sword is probably my favorite PS3 game but definitely had performance issues. Would love to see it re-released now that developers better know how to take advantage of the PS3's architecture.

I'll be honest, with a system that's easier to develop for, Naughty Dog will probably produce some absolutely stunning games. Xbox Live and the controller are Xbox's biggest advantage. But I have allowed my 4yr Gold to lapse.

#39 a1ien

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 19:35

APU = integrated graphics. I hope Microsoft will stick a discrete gpu in theirs.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 20:00

The mods on this forum are doing an outstanding job.

Oh my gosh! Thank you so much, compl3x. You're too kind. You can can really help us by reporting a post that broke the rules. For some reason, our all-seeing eye doesn't actually see everything because... it doesn't exist. That's right, we don't have an all-seeing eye so we can't catch all instances of rule breakage. We try though! :) :happy: :D :yes:

As for this thread, I just cleaned it.

#41 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 20:04

APU = integrated graphics. I hope Microsoft will stick a discrete gpu in theirs.

Integrated 7970M based gpu roughly equivalent to desktop 7850 but with beefed up ALU on all 18CUs and an extra APU with 4CUs purely for ALU crunching. AMD APUs are pretty impressive compared to "integrated" graphics on Intels chips.

Nextbox is meant to have a 12CU gpu so yeah gluck with that.

#42 ctrl_alt_delete

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 20:31

Sigh I remember when discussions used to be informative and fun. Now it's just full of pure nonsense with people using rumores and opinions as facts and made up "facts". Get a hold of yourselves guys....lets all be logical

#43 Jason Stillion

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 20:42

This extra credits episodes "Why Console Specs Don't Matter"
http://www.penny-arc...ecs-dont-matter

Seems pretty applicable here.

#44 Athernar

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 20:49

calm down. off the shelf doesn't necessarily mean you can buy it from bestbuy,it means its a product that's already designed and developed that you can order. you can buy a cpu that has pins to fit in a socket on a home build, or you can order the exact same cpu in on a BGA carrier to solder on your board to take up less space.pc boards usually have sockets and components are mounted on daughtercards so they take up so much room, so no one here is suggesting you can use these hefty socketed variants and fit them in a console sized box. you can use the exact same components in bga or other package though and fit them in a console.


By that logic every single product in existence qualifies as "off-the-shelf", you're just grasping at straws. Not only that but you've completely avoided my point regarding the bespoke mainboards.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 20:49

Regardless, I am buying the PS4. :)