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The problem is AMD are doing that by selling processors at a loss just to stay in the market, it's not a sustainable way of doing business.

You are an intel guy, you really don't know what's going on, AMD is actually investing a lot in the CPU+GPU on the same die processing, i.e. APU, I'm pretty sure they knew about the looses and nonetheless they have done splendid on the last few years, not as powerful as intel, sure it is, but indistinguishable in most of the applications, to be honest, I'm very happy when I bought a product far cheaper than the competency and performs just as good, that's intelligent business for me.

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Actually, purchasing inferior products and claiming that they're superior is bad business ;)

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Actually, purchasing inferior products and claiming that they're superior is bad business ;)

Inferior... quite subjective indeed, specially when you are mostly biased towards intel. I don't mind though, feel free to continue with intel, I buy what I want knowingly, and that is for the red team only, they perform splendid for such price tag compared to intel.

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There's another thing. Retailers are rather disinclined to recommend cheaper products and systems even if they are competitive or superior - because it means less profit for them short and long term. Thus, Intel helps to fill pockets of every party involved - except the end user.

On the other hand, if you do want it for cheap, the shiny metal packaging comes into question again - the import tax of metal (for us) is five times more than for cardboard and paper as it is, but it also weights more. Dishonesty when filling those forms is not appreciated by der Gr?ne Punkt - that tax reflects badly on pricing with no added value (unless you've got magpie syndrome... some indeed do).

Oh, and I'm kind of obliged to support Intel, because I've got a free T-shirt.

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Inferior... quite subjective indeed, specially when you are mostly biased towards intel. I don't mind though, feel free to continue with intel, I buy what I want knowingly, and that is for the red team only, they perform splendid for such price tag compared to intel.

It's not subjective at all. There's tons of evidence pretty much everywhere to prove to you that amd chips do provide inferior performance(both per clock and per watt). You're just way to much of a blind fanboy to be able to see any of it.

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150W TDP... Products like this should be banned, energy is finite and I don't see why it should be going to waste on something so useless as 'slightly faster graphics'.

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It's not subjective at all. There's tons of evidence pretty much everywhere to prove to you that amd chips do provide inferior performance(both per clock and per watt). You're just way to much of a blind fanboy to be able to see any of it.

Yeah... Javik tried to point that on this post http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135648-can-someone-explain-why-i-shouldnt-get-an-amd-fx-cpu/page__fromsearch__1, but the truth is that most of those reports are not entirely sourced as in the same post can be seen, so while there is indeed evidence that Intel peforms better, AMD does nice too and not "bad" as many people seem to want to think.

150W TDP... Products like this should be banned, energy is finite and I don't see why it should be going to waste on something so useless as 'slightly faster graphics'.

150W is high but so is some SLI or xFire setups. Energy is not finite, the whole universe is made of it, if you are referring to the total current*voltage used by this processor that is very much reflected on the bill of the owner, 150W is nothing compared with other applications too, your post reflects certain short sight about what energy is and how is used.

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Yes I guess 150w TDP is pretty small in comparison to say the heat from a sewage treatment plant, the difference however is everyone can live without the graphics card whereas everyone would eventually die without the sewage treatment plant.

Crossfire and SLI are eqaually wastes of power.

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Yes I guess 150w TDP is pretty small in comparison to say the heat from a sewage treatment plant, the difference however is everyone can live without the graphics card whereas everyone would eventually die without the sewage treatment plant.

Crossfire and SLI are eqaually wastes of power.

That comparison is a bit flawed, here is a counter example, servers around the world consume far more than 150W and yet they connect the whole world through internet, unplug them... you can live without the internet, can you? people did in the pass, I don't see why you don't.

To all the fanboys out there, you can scream as much as you want how Intel is "superior". Truth is AMD is not too far behind at a very nice price and that's a fact. /* Deal With It */ I will leave this post because I already said enough and provided enough examples of this like (http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135648-can-someone-explain-why-i-shouldnt-get-an-amd-fx-cpu/page__fromsearch__1), but also because I don't like absurd comparisons like the one proposed above nor I like to correct each one of them, It's a waste of time with such short sighted people.

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Am i the only one who doesnt give a **** about power consumption? I rather it perform better

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Servers have a useful purpose, and can handle/respond to thousands of simutainious connections at once.

This can provide 'better graphics' for one person at a time. Big difference.

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$795 ?

I`ll wait until this time next year when 5GHz CPUs are the same price as 4GHz CPUs are today

Or buy an 8350 and OC it to 5GHz, reviews seem to say its very possible

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AMD has more or less given up on the high end and for now they have an advantage with their fusion APUs though OEMs are still mostly using intels atoms in their mobile devices.

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AMD was the one to claim frequency doesn't matter when they were behind Intel during K6 and K7. A claim still remain a fact today. This matter very little without benchmarks.

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AMD has more or less given up on the high end and for now they have an advantage with their fusion APUs though OEMs are still mostly using intels atoms in their mobile devices.

I`ll be happy if the 8350 lives up to the reviews I've read, I bought a Crosshair V Formula ages ago wanting to upgrade my ageing 965 only to find it still beat the bulldozers in certain benches, and have been waiting ever since to find a new CPU that is worth the upgrade, wishing I'd waited and gone Intel almost

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Inferior... quite subjective indeed, specially when you are mostly biased towards intel. I don't mind though, feel free to continue with intel, I buy what I want knowingly, and that is for the red team only, they perform splendid for such price tag compared to intel.

It's not subjective, it's a fact. The fact that you're openly admitting that you'll never buy an Intel CPU shows you for what you really are, it's you that has lost your objectivity not me. I've used products from both camps.

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I'm still on a i7 920 and though I've upgraded my RAM, PSU and GPU I'm probably not going to get a new mobo and CPU anytime soon.

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It's not subjective, it's a fact. The fact that you're openly admitting that you'll never buy an Intel CPU shows you for what you really are, it's you that has lost your objectivity not me. I've used products from both camps.

Ahm... just to be clear, I have a RAZRi xt890 (with real x86 atom processor) which is fast, very fast for a smartphone (lacks however graphics department) and I had a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz with HT. Say that again? I'm an x86 Fan... but taking stances, I'm an AMD fan and this is because all the Intel fanboys really make me to despise Intel processors, if Intel is on top right now... it's because of them (and a lot of Intel manipulation with the OEMs in the past).

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You're not taking stances, you're living in selective ignorance. Benchmarks are independent. The fact that you'd claim that it's some conspiracy reveals how much you actually know about the IT world: namely nothing.

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You're not taking stances, you're living in selective ignorance. Benchmarks are independent. The fact that you'd claim that it's some conspiracy reveals how much you actually know about the IT world: namely nothing.

Sure, whatever... considering that I've developed applications using APUs and pretty much my whole PhD is based on that... I can easily say that you just don't have anything else interesting to write and thus recurring to name me "ignorant" when I'm pretty sure I knew computers far before the IT term was even used widely. Don't make a fool of yourself, kid.

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Care to further describe your PhD, please? Unless it's of commercial interest to you, a lot of other folks here would be interested at least the abstract part of actually scientific findings (besides the undeniable that APUs are fine products).

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Care to further describe your PhD, please? Unless it's of commercial interest to you, a lot of other folks here would be interested at least the abstract part of actually scientific findings (besides the undeniable that APUs are fine products).

You can use an APU for parallel processing, having an API like the OpenCL is actually quite nice for this (although OpenCL isn't restricted to APUs and rather includes quite a lot of devices like GPUs and even processors of different architectures as long as they support the API), you can use for example an APU in conjuction with a more beffy GPU to do certain tasks independently, the one that I'm currently researching is Gradient Vector Flow (http://www.thebigblo...w-using-opencl/), the magic of this is that you can assign the processor to do something, then the integrated graphics of the apu to do another and then the GPU to do another, all of those task can be highly parallel (useful for image processing) which is what I'm trying to accomplish at the moment.

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As long as AMD still has better price/performance for what I'm looking for, that is what I'll buy. This rumoured CPU, if that is its price, would not be a good buy for someone without a very large disposable income.

@Javik: We seem to have similar opinions on a lot of things discussed around here, but you are the biggest active Intel fanboy on Neowin (that I know of). Sure, benchmarks don't lie, but you do when misrepresenting the information contained in them. Displaying loyalty to one brand or another simply because you own the product is not a good thing for anybody except the corporation's bottom line.

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Yeah, but does it catch on fire like the good old days ?

Intel FTW. Intel FOR LIFE.

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As long as AMD still has better price/performance for what I'm looking for, that is what I'll buy. This rumoured CPU, if that is its price, would not be a good buy for someone without a very large disposable income.

@Javik: We seem to have similar opinions on a lot of things discussed around here, but you are the biggest active Intel fanboy on Neowin (that I know of). Sure, benchmarks don't lie, but you do when misrepresenting the information contained in them. Displaying loyalty to one brand or another simply because you own the product is not a good thing for anybody except the corporation's bottom line.

We have a guy arguing that benchmarks are part of some conspiracy to heap scorn on AMD and you're calling ME a fanboy. Get some damn perspective pal :laugh:

Sure, whatever... considering that I've developed applications using APUs and pretty much my whole PhD is based on that... I can easily say that you just don't have anything else interesting to write and thus recurring to name me "ignorant" when I'm pretty sure I knew computers far before the IT term was even used widely. Don't make a fool of yourself, kid.

Nobody with a PhD in any form of IT would make the argument that benchmarks are part of some conspiracy vendetta to favour one company over another. The condescending overtone of your post also makes a mockery of the idea that there's anything remotely approaching intellectualism in your mind.

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