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#46 OP +Phouchg

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 22:48

so neowin shows it's face as heavily PRO Microsoft and Intel. don't forget, if it weren't for AMD, intel would be the monopoly and guess what you'd pay for your loyalty to Intel... :rolleyes:

Neowin is not showing anything. That is the likes of you with a petty urge to divide people into warring camps - by throwing around such generic complaints again and again and again. Discuss the matter at hand, if only for naught in the end - withholding such accusatory statements would do an immense amount of good for Neowin on its own.

As for the "Intel tax" - we have been paying that since the beginning of time (and ever so more since the first Cores). Even fanbois acknowledge that. Electricity bills are being left out of pricing equations lately, but what the hell...

No sane person wants for AMD to go down under! I'm insane and even I don't want that! However, AMD is not making it easy to believe in them. They're operating at heavy loss - for how long a public company can keep doing this before shareholders call quits and burn the house down? Their "aggressive pricing" is the reason of this loss, and Intel doesn't care of that pricing in the slightest. Quite an opposite - Intel raises them all the time. And next gen consoles aren't going to save AMD on their own, for the first rule of volume orders is volume pricing.

People will always pay any amount of top dollar for top performance, unless 3rd World War starts or something. So this Centurion, if true at all, is a stunt, a badly needed one at that, but they still need to "get their ass into gear", soon and with something really big, instead of slightly improving upon things. Something that turns everyone's heads, instead of the already done to death price/performance ratio that only attracts those that care about that sort of thing in the first place, and little gains here and there which are known mainly by those who follow the "horselord" of TekSyndicate and not the Average Joe, who thinks that Intel = computers as a whole.

A few ideas to keep this rolling - how about:
- cuting a deal with, say, Cooler Master, to bundle cheap, stylish, but more than decent cooler instead of the "jetliner" (and Asetek, once more... unless, idk, their last attempt with Bulldozer LC bundle didn't do very well?)
- stopping to produce those completely useless shiny metal boxes - I throw all of them straight in the bin, anyway. They've got a hole, can't even store coffee in them.
- persuading Global-"finfets suck"-Foundries to change their stance and uptake ~20nm process posthaste or design and place their next orders somewhere else


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 00:50

No, they need to get their ass in gear. Intel pretty much wipes the floor with anything they have to offer, yeah yeah amd is "cheaper" yeah... 125w TDP for most of their processors against intels 75... add that to your electricity bill and then we can talk cheap.

Neowin is not showing anything. That is the likes of you with a petty urge to divide people into warring camps - by throwing around such generic complaints again and again and again. Discuss the matter at hand, if only for naught in the end - withholding such accusatory statements would do an immense amount of good for Neowin on its own.

As for the "Intel tax" - we have been paying that since the beginning of time (and ever so more since the first Cores). Even fanbois acknowledge that. Electricity bills are being left out of pricing equations lately, but what the hell...

No sane person wants for AMD to go down under! I'm insane and even I don't want that! However, AMD is not making it easy to believe in them. They're operating at heavy loss - for how long a public company can keep doing this before shareholders call quits and burn the house down? Their "aggressive pricing" is the reason of this loss, and Intel doesn't care of that pricing in the slightest. Quite an opposite - Intel raises them all the time. And next gen consoles aren't going to save AMD on their own, for the first rule of volume orders is volume pricing.

People will always pay any amount of top dollar for top performance, unless 3rd World War starts or something. So this Centurion, if true at all, is a stunt, a badly needed one at that, but they still need to "get their ass into gear", soon and with something really big, instead of slightly improving upon things. Something that turns everyone's heads, instead of the already done to death price/performance ratio that only attracts those that care about that sort of thing in the first place, and little gains here and there which are known mainly by those who follow the "horselord" of TekSyndicate and not the Average Joe, who thinks that Intel = computers as a whole.

A few ideas to keep this rolling - how about:
- cuting a deal with, say, Cooler Master, to bundle cheap, stylish, but more than decent cooler instead of the "jetliner" (and Asetek, once more... unless, idk, their last attempt with Bulldozer LC bundle didn't do very well?)
- stopping to produce those completely useless shiny metal boxes - I throw all of them straight in the bin, anyway. They've got a hole, can't even store coffee in them.
- persuading Global-"finfets suck"-Foundries to change their stance and uptake ~20nm process posthaste or design and place their next orders somewhere else

I did mention electricity bill :angry: :p

It is what is, I agree, people just throw in random comments, i'm not a fanboy for neither blue nor green, i'm a fanboi for the best technology available and at the moment, intel's offering surpasses AMD in watts consumed and heat dissipation, obviously this isn't an "average joe" point of view, it is a valid one. I hate people nag nag nag about price/ratio and as you point out, compare that to how much your electricity bill adds up, not to mention the whole efficiency of the system goes down, because more fans are needed to have more air inside to cool those extra degrees because in fact it runs hotter.

Anywho, leaving technical details apart, the fact is, AMD is losing money, the only way they're going to get back in the game is if they go out on a limb, spend extra on RnD or whatever, but get ahead of intel! APUs is a good start, but not good enough, because like pointed above, the more money AMD loses the more shareholders it loses, etc.

I dunno, honestly bulldozer and piledriver have been nothing but excuses "oh windows 7 isn't optimized for multiple cores" "oh run linux in a work related atmosphere running 1000 applications at once to see the benefit", then lets not mention how their infamous "jetliners" are utter crap compared to what intel boxes with their cheapest processors and guess why Intels current lineup runs cool. Again, this isn't BIAS, these are facts, 8350 -- 125w 3770k 77w

Oh and price/performance?
http://www.citytrf.n..._calculator.htm have a go at it: average cost a year (based on average cost 8.7 per watt), on a pc on 24 hours a day =

intel 3770k $58.68
AMD 8350 $95.26

aprox $36 per year, mind you, this is considering average price per watt, the higher the price of electricity, the higher the difference. I would rather spend those $40 and get better memory and/or harddrive... now... considering I did the same when I bought my q6600 g0 ( 95w vs 125w b3 stepping) and i've had it running since 2007 (7 years) thats $36x7 = $252 ... ( In my case anyway)...

But anyway, who says facts are useful ? Current lineup, go intel! and AMD gooo spend on RnD, sell your kidneys but do it!


*costs exaggerated for example to be clear.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 00:53

I'm not talking out of my ass, i'm talking design wise, IMO 125w is unacceptable these days, it's just too much, that's what my 7 year old q6600 uses.

You and me, we've had this discussion on the linux benchmarks before ;)



I'm green dude, I would love AMD to kick ass :( like in the thoroughbred days :(, but its just no happening for another 2-3 years because of AMDs RnD budget as you pointed out.


Q6600 uses 65w?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 00:56

Q6600 uses 65w?

nope 95w g0 stepping

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:24

Hahaha, the intel guys here that replied as if their pride have been hurt are... just pitiful, but whatever, to me it seems that somebody has won the price to performance ratio already, and that's the red team, AMD.


The problem is AMD are doing that by selling processors at a loss just to stay in the market, it's not a sustainable way of doing business.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:34

The problem is AMD are doing that by selling processors at a loss just to stay in the market, it's not a sustainable way of doing business.


You are an intel guy, you really don't know what's going on, AMD is actually investing a lot in the CPU+GPU on the same die processing, i.e. APU, I'm pretty sure they knew about the looses and nonetheless they have done splendid on the last few years, not as powerful as intel, sure it is, but indistinguishable in most of the applications, to be honest, I'm very happy when I bought a product far cheaper than the competency and performs just as good, that's intelligent business for me.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:47

Actually, purchasing inferior products and claiming that they're superior is bad business ;)

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:02

Actually, purchasing inferior products and claiming that they're superior is bad business ;)


Inferior... quite subjective indeed, specially when you are mostly biased towards intel. I don't mind though, feel free to continue with intel, I buy what I want knowingly, and that is for the red team only, they perform splendid for such price tag compared to intel.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:04

There's another thing. Retailers are rather disinclined to recommend cheaper products and systems even if they are competitive or superior - because it means less profit for them short and long term. Thus, Intel helps to fill pockets of every party involved - except the end user.

On the other hand, if you do want it for cheap, the shiny metal packaging comes into question again - the import tax of metal (for us) is five times more than for cardboard and paper as it is, but it also weights more. Dishonesty when filling those forms is not appreciated by der Grüne Punkt - that tax reflects badly on pricing with no added value (unless you've got magpie syndrome... some indeed do).

Oh, and I'm kind of obliged to support Intel, because I've got a free T-shirt.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:08

Inferior... quite subjective indeed, specially when you are mostly biased towards intel. I don't mind though, feel free to continue with intel, I buy what I want knowingly, and that is for the red team only, they perform splendid for such price tag compared to intel.


It's not subjective at all. There's tons of evidence pretty much everywhere to prove to you that amd chips do provide inferior performance(both per clock and per watt). You're just way to much of a blind fanboy to be able to see any of it.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:10

150W TDP... Products like this should be banned, energy is finite and I don't see why it should be going to waste on something so useless as 'slightly faster graphics'.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:14

It's not subjective at all. There's tons of evidence pretty much everywhere to prove to you that amd chips do provide inferior performance(both per clock and per watt). You're just way to much of a blind fanboy to be able to see any of it.


Yeah... Javik tried to point that on this post http://www.neowin.ne...__fromsearch__1, but the truth is that most of those reports are not entirely sourced as in the same post can be seen, so while there is indeed evidence that Intel peforms better, AMD does nice too and not "bad" as many people seem to want to think.

150W TDP... Products like this should be banned, energy is finite and I don't see why it should be going to waste on something so useless as 'slightly faster graphics'.


150W is high but so is some SLI or xFire setups. Energy is not finite, the whole universe is made of it, if you are referring to the total current*voltage used by this processor that is very much reflected on the bill of the owner, 150W is nothing compared with other applications too, your post reflects certain short sight about what energy is and how is used.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:16

Yes I guess 150w TDP is pretty small in comparison to say the heat from a sewage treatment plant, the difference however is everyone can live without the graphics card whereas everyone would eventually die without the sewage treatment plant.
Crossfire and SLI are eqaually wastes of power.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:19

Yes I guess 150w TDP is pretty small in comparison to say the heat from a sewage treatment plant, the difference however is everyone can live without the graphics card whereas everyone would eventually die without the sewage treatment plant.
Crossfire and SLI are eqaually wastes of power.


That comparison is a bit flawed, here is a counter example, servers around the world consume far more than 150W and yet they connect the whole world through internet, unplug them... you can live without the internet, can you? people did in the pass, I don't see why you don't.

To all the fanboys out there, you can scream as much as you want how Intel is "superior". Truth is AMD is not too far behind at a very nice price and that's a fact. /* Deal With It */ I will leave this post because I already said enough and provided enough examples of this like (http://www.neowin.ne...__fromsearch__1), but also because I don't like absurd comparisons like the one proposed above nor I like to correct each one of them, It's a waste of time with such short sighted people.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:22

Am i the only one who doesnt give a **** about power consumption? I rather it perform better