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There's been enough examples on why the always online connection thing doesn't work in the last year alone.

So yeah..I'll deal with it by not buying your games or consoles. And in return you can go on blaming piracy for poor sales.
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Slightly miss-quoted as he doesn't say those phrases together. Although you could argue that his summary was referring to everything he had previously said, it's not conclusive.
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Why the always online crap has to be mentioned like if it's only going to be in the next Xbox? When PS4 was revealed, always online was a big thing in the press release with all the "PS4 will download game demos in sleep mode and in the background for games that it (the PS4) think you'll want to play to save time for you" and the whole "Share" button fiasco that among other social network crap, also streams your gameplay (using the ustream service) so any of your friends can watch you fail at games :rolleyes:

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[quote name='Pupik' timestamp='1365933802' post='595636520']
Why the always online crap has to be mentioned like if it's only going to be in the next Xbox? When PS4 was revealed, always online was a big thing in the press release with all the "PS4 will download game demos in sleep mode and in the background for games that it (the PS4) think you'll want to play to save time for you" and the whole "Share" button fiasco that among other social network crap, also streams your gameplay (using the ustream service) so any of your friends can watch you fail at games :rolleyes:
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Considering he's using Diablo and Simcity as examples I take he means always-on as in requiring a connection at all times even for single player games.

That's what people have issues with, and that's something that Sony has stated the PS4 won't have (although they can obviously backpedal later). No one is criticizing that a console might take advantage of a persistent connection to do more stuff (something the PS3 is doing already to a certain extent, waking up to automatically download game patches and system updates) but rather that they might require it even for offline games for no other reason than DRM.
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[quote name='ichi' timestamp='1365935122' post='595636538']
Considering he's using Diablo and Simcity as examples I take he means always-on as in requiring a connection at all times even for single player games.

That's what people have issues with, and that's [b]something that Sony has stated the PS4 won't have[/b] (although they can obviously backpedal later). No one is criticizing that a console might take advantage of a persistent connection to do more stuff (something the PS3 is doing already to a certain extent, waking up to automatically download game patches and system updates) but rather that they might require it even for offline games for no other reason than DRM.
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And when did Microsoft stated that the next Xbox will have that, for games or any other services?

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[quote name='Pupik' timestamp='1365936030' post='595636548']
And when did Microsoft stated that the next Xbox will have that, for games or any other services?
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Their silence on the whole issue speaks volumes though, doesn't it?
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[quote name='compl3x' timestamp='1365937311' post='595636566']
Their silence on the whole issue speaks volumes though, doesn't it?
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No, it doesn't :huh:

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Yes, it does. :| They (Microsoft) won't address the issue at all. If it was something they had zero intention of doing they would have said so by now. People are judging the system by this rumour before the console has even been announced. Not a good thing for consumers to already be disliking your product.

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2 words.

Sim City.
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Just read on The Verge that there's an XBox Live outage. It sure wouldn't be fun if the current XBox required an always-on connection and was hence rendered totally useless until the issue was fixed.

[quote name='Pupik' timestamp='1365936030' post='595636548']
And when did Microsoft stated that the next Xbox will have that, for games or any other services?
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I didn't say they did, just that Sony has stated that they won't.

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What I don't understand is how if so many people DON'T want this, and arguably for many titles it provides no benefit, how can they continue down this route so bullishly? I guess they know they can as very few people are likely to vote with their feet :(

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[quote name='compl3x' timestamp='1365937311' post='595636566']
Their silence on the whole issue speaks volumes though, doesn't it?
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By that logic Microsoft don't have a successor for the 360 because they haven't said anything about it at all.
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That thinks remote locations are for vacations only :D

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[quote name='Pupik' timestamp='1365936030' post='595636548']
And when did Microsoft stated that the next Xbox will have that, for games or any other services?
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Also sony never said they wouldn't have always online required, they basically said it wouldn't be required. meaning it probably will be there for publishers to use if they want. and if you know publishers, you know that will be 99% of games..,

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[quote name='Chicane-UK' timestamp='1365938583' post='595636580']
What I don't understand is how if so many people DON'T want this, and arguably for many titles it provides no benefit, how can they continue down this route so bullishly? I guess they know they can as very few people are likely to vote with their feet :(
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It's the new Microsoft through and through (Or more accurately Apple 2.0). To hell with what our users want, we're doing it and if you don't like it get lost.

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Will be a disaster if MS try this (system wide), I genuinely believe if they were going to they are now scrambling to not do it any more in the light of the internet outrage. It will be entertaining as it is currently if they do to see people try to defend the practice, but after the initial laughs it'll be sad to see this practice become part of our gaming world.

Same goes for any publishers that continue to try and push forward with always online required in SP situations.

The console version of Diablo having it removed speaks volumes, as does yesterdays Live outage.

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internet commenters don't represent how the market works. theres a group of them that will bitch and moan about anything. the few games that require an internet connection to work sell in great quantities,meaning most gamers don't have a problem with it. Its a win for everyone,except for pirates of course.

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1365943026' post='595636648']


Also sony never said they wouldn't have always online required, they basically said it wouldn't be required. meaning it probably will be there for publishers to use if they want. and if you know publishers, you know that will be 99% of games..,
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Publishers can already require a persistent connection right now on current gen consoles (just try to connect to your own servers every x minutes and halt the game if the connection fails) so no required connection on the PS4 effectively means you'd be in the same situation as with the PS3 regarding that issue.

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[quote name='vcfan' timestamp='1365945558' post='595636702']
internet commenters don't represent how the market works. theres a group of them that will bitch and moan about anything. the few games that require an internet connection to work sell in great quantities,meaning most gamers don't have a problem with it. Its a win for everyone,except for pirates of course.
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It's not a win for anyone but publishers. This is how they will kill the used market. It's nothing in it for consumers. Always on? Sure. Required always online? Not at all.

And I love how people like you blow off Internet opinion. These people opinions will be passed on to their friends and family. Which will hopefully result in lack luster sells. No company should be rewarded for being anti-consumer.

Microsoft will learn. If they don't they will fail.

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[quote name='Roxkis' timestamp='1365949820' post='595636812']
It's not a win for anyone but publishers. This is how they will kill the used market. It's nothing in it for consumers. Always on? Sure. Required always online? Not at all.

And I love how people like you blow off Internet opinion. These people opinions will be passed on to their friends and family. Which will hopefully result in lack luster sells. No company should be rewarded for being anti-consumer.

Microsoft will learn. If they don't they will fail.
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The Internets have really been terribly successful in bringing down EA in the last twenty years haven't they? Twenty years of accomplishing nothing.
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[quote name='ichi' timestamp='1365935122' post='595636538']


Considering he's using Diablo and Simcity as examples I take he means always-on as in requiring a connection at all times even for single player games.

That's what people have issues with, and that's something that Sony has stated the PS4 won't have (although they can obviously backpedal later). No one is criticizing that a console might take advantage of a persistent connection to do more stuff (something the PS3 is doing already to a certain extent, waking up to automatically download game patches and system updates) but rather that they might require it even for offline games for no other reason than DRM.
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PS4 requires a connection for it's entire back-catalog of single player games. All games with an incompatible architecture are going to have to be streamed via gaikai.

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Your "losing" money to piracy... deal with it.

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[quote name='Chicane-UK' timestamp='1365938583' post='595636580']
What I don't understand is how if so many people DON'T want this, and arguably for many titles it provides no benefit, how can they continue down this route so bullishly? I guess they know they can as very few people are likely to vote with their feet :(
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Perhaps because the Kinect market, who Microsoft is looking at as it's new base market, is unaware and oblivious to these types of things and have no clue what DRM is, nor do they actually care.

They just want to headbutt the air - Ryse. :/ Whatever keeps the kid out of their hair.

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