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Well, I personally just installed Windows Blue build to find out IE11 potential since I am drastically impressed with IE10.
So lets find out what I noticed:
[b]1. HTML5test.com score:[/b]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/cga5I8R.png[/img]

Where scored more:
Mutation Observer --- added 3 points

[b]2. CSS3 Test score:[/b]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/AsCHNIC.png[/img]

Where scored more:
CSS3 Flexbox standard

[b]3. Rng.io benchmark:[/b]
Ring 1 - no difference
Ring 2 - Scored two points less (not bother to look where loss)
Ring 3 - major difference
So what here standard support indicated
1. CSS3 Flexbox Standard support
2. Canvas 3D (WebGL) support
3. Animation Timing (requestAnimationFrame etc.)
4. Another Iframe Sandboxing related test pass
5. Full Screen API related support

I will be checking it for few days, if you wanna suggest some benchmark related to support, let me know.
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Figured with silverlight coming to a end, they would have improved on html5 more.

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They are going in good direction but they need to catch since now HTML5 is about to standardize so there is no hold back to slow implementation and they should speedup. Also getting little bit new support as mentioned is also not little bad.

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Here is what I found over last two weeks in IE10 and latest FF/Chrome:
1. animations (css3 transitions, transformations etc) are damn smooth in IE10
2. Firefox and chrome's font rendering sucks (at least in windows)
3. Firefox/Chrome do not support ICCv4 (seriously Mozilla/Google? **** you.) [ [url="http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter"]http://www.color.org...ion4html.xalter[/url] ]
4. Webkit should stop implementing any new features and fix every stupid simple layout issues they have.
5. css3 gradients are **** in Firefox. Mozilla needs to L2Code.

So whatever new IE11 brings is good enough. Personally, I'd like a 100% full featured implementation of HTMl5 forms.
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IE11 + Firefox's extension support + Chrome's developer flags = Winnest browser ever.

The complete lack of addons in IE11 makes it a no fly for me :(
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Can you check if IE11 support pointer-event: none; on all html element? IE10 currently only support it on SVG canvas.

Check this page: http://robertnyman.com/css3/pointer-events/pointer-events.html

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[quote name='Crimson Rain' timestamp='1366447015' post='595649020']
Here is what I found over last two weeks in IE10 and latest FF/Chrome:
1. animations (css3 transitions, transformations etc) are damn smooth in IE10
2. Firefox and chrome's font rendering sucks (at least in windows)
3. Firefox/Chrome do not support ICCv4 (seriously Mozilla/Google? **** you.) [ [url="http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter"]http://www.color.org...ion4html.xalter[/url] ]
4. Webkit should stop implementing any new features and fix every stupid simple layout issues they have.
5. css3 gradients are **** in Firefox. Mozilla needs to L2Code.

So whatever new IE11 brings is good enough. Personally, I'd like a 100% full featured implementation of HTMl5 forms.
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1. True
2. It can be true in case of Chrome but I found Firefox font rendering on par of IE10, open softpedia and face bold font issue while Firefox does not suffer from this.
3. Firefox does support but it is behind preference not enabled by default
4. True
5. Firefox improved CSS3 Gradient performance issues, if that's what you are facing.

Now back to IE11 testing.. LOL!

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The scores should get better with a newer version of blue. Besides, I seem to remember that html5 isn't going to be full passed anytime soon. Does anyone have a date for this?

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[quote name='GP007' timestamp='1366457741' post='595649156']
The scores should get better with a newer version of blue. Besides, I seem to remember that html5 isn't going to be full passed anytime soon. Does anyone have a date for this?
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Don't have confirm date but several proposal are already seems to on final draft stages and HTML5.1 is already underway, so it will take take early next year to get HTML5 full standardised, that's just my speculation.

[quote name='cetla' timestamp='1366448771' post='595649044']
Can you check if IE11 support pointer-event: none; on all html element? IE10 currently only support it on SVG canvas.

Check this page: [url="http://robertnyman.com/css3/pointer-events/pointer-events.html"]http://robertnyman.c...ter-events.html[/url]
[/quote]

Can you tell me expected correct results after ticking check box, so I can confirm. Little in layman term, I red what is written on page but could not understand.

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For CSS Pointer-events test, I get same behaviour as IE10 in IE11.
Fail this one as well: https://bug827709.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=699017

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[quote name='Zlip792' timestamp='1366456831' post='595649138']
1. True
2. It can be true in case of Chrome but I found Firefox font rendering on par of IE10, open softpedia and face bold font issue while Firefox does not suffer from this.
3. Firefox does support but it is behind preference not enabled by default
4. True
5. Firefox improved CSS3 Gradient performance issues, if that's what you are facing.

Now back to IE11 testing.. LOL!
[/quote]
2. Firefox is ok normally. But once you introduce transformation/transition/animation etc, fonts go ****.
3. It doesn't help. You cant expect users to enable it when a PNG image's (background) color shifts and creates distinct seems with the html background color code. I know there are ways to work around (which I had to) but works out of the box on IE10.
5. I don't remember the exact thing. Encountered it during some design experiment. It was a combination of 1px to top gradient, background repeat and some effect (e.g., transition). The gradient appeared as distinct lines where it should appear as solid. Worked fine on IE10/Chrome.

As for IE11 and html5test.com, if IE11 has WebGL support, it should score much more.
Are you sure html5test.com is working properly for IE11? And no sign of HTML5 forms...eh? :(

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[quote name='Zlip792' timestamp='1366458725' post='595649174']
For CSS Pointer-events test, I get same behaviour as IE10 in IE11.
Fail this one as well: https://bug827709.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=699017
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That's too bad. The IE team said they are not enabling pointer-event:none; to all html element due to risks of click-jacking. But Mozilla and the Chrome team enabled in their browsers since forever and nothing harmful has come out of it so far.

I was hopeful IE11 would allow it since I have a light-dimming script that turns on at night. I'd like it to work in IE11 but shame...

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So IE11 has a DX11 implementation of WebGL? If yes, how much faster is it compared to the DX9 implementation FF has?

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finally, IE is trying to catch up. still a long way to go

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[quote name='Ashleighhank' timestamp='1366492167' post='595649892']
finally, IE is trying to catch up. still a long way to go
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[quote name='_Alexander' timestamp='1366491431' post='595649878']
So IE11 has a DX11 implementation of WebGL? If yes, how much faster is it compared to the DX9 implementation FF has?
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[quote name='Crimson Rain' timestamp='1366486915' post='595649768']
2. Firefox is ok normally. But once you introduce transformation/transition/animation etc, fonts go ****.
3. It doesn't help. You cant expect users to enable it when a PNG image's (background) color shifts and creates distinct seems with the html background color code. I know there are ways to work around (which I had to) but works out of the box on IE10.
5. I don't remember the exact thing. Encountered it during some design experiment. It was a combination of 1px to top gradient, background repeat and some effect (e.g., transition). The gradient appeared as distinct lines where it should appear as solid. Worked fine on IE10/Chrome.

As for IE11 and html5test.com, if IE11 has WebGL support, it should score much more.
Are you sure html5test.com is working properly for IE11? And no sign of HTML5 forms...eh? :(
[/quote]

WebGL full pieces are not yet implemented, only initial work and also yeah I test HTML5test perfectly, if site has issue then we can't see otherwise all things come up. Let me try newer build now. Lets hope find new stuff or junkies..

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[quote name='Zlip792' timestamp='1366492634' post='595649902']
WebGL full pieces are not yet implemented, only initial work and also yeah I test HTML5test perfectly, if site has issue then we can't see otherwise all things come up. Let me try newer build now. Lets hope find new stuff or junkies..
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chrome gives 468 with html5test by the time IE catches up it will be behind some other features.
so i will stick with chrome/firefox

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Its one of the big problem with IE team. They don't see this as a threat but Web designer use these scores to pick on which browser is the best and code around it and then debug the others.

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[quote name='Ashleighhank' timestamp='1366499947' post='595650092']
chrome gives 468 with html5test by the time IE catches up it will be behind some other features.
so i will stick with chrome/firefox
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Because the missing features are encounterd so much on the internet....
I code and design sites every now and then, after IE9 it became my default browser to code on. Because if designed on it, it would look great on all the 3 major browsers. While if i focus on Chrome or Fx, much too often the website will display like sh*t on IE but also on Fx (if done in chrome) and on Chrome if done on Fx. I'm sick and tired of the webkid- and mozilla prefixes i have to use. And found that with many CSS items, IE is the only one properly supporting it without using their own stupid implementations.
IE might be limited in HTML5 features, but the features it has, work like a charm and fully according to the W3 specifications.
The only major things i encounter using IE, is WebM and WebGL, both are [b]not[/b] HTML5 specs.
And often developers still have the mindset of IE is like IE6. And thus the IE6-8 hacks are used on IE9-10 websites and it makes the website work like cr*p in IE.

IE10 even comes with its a new HTML5 'render' engine, which will attempt to use unfinished HTML5 features like Fx and Chrome do. you can even tell the browser with render version IE should use.
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[quote name='Shadowzz' timestamp='1366520270' post='595650370']
Because the missing features are encounterd so much on the internet....
I code and design sites every now and then, after IE9 it became my default browser to code on. Because if designed on it, it would look great on all the 3 major browsers. While if i focus on Chrome or Fx, much too often the website will display like sh*t on IE but also on Fx (if done in chrome) and on Chrome if done on Fx. I'm sick and tired of the webkid- and mozilla prefixes i have to use. And found that with many CSS items, IE is the only one properly supporting it without using their own stupid implementations.
IE might be limited in HTML5 features, but the features it has, work like a charm and fully according to the W3 specifications.
The only major things i encounter using IE, is WebM and WebGL, both are [b]not[/b] HTML5 specs.
And often developers still have the mindset of IE is like IE6. And thus the IE6-8 hacks are used on IE9-10 websites and it makes the website work like cr*p in IE.

IE10 even comes with its a new HTML5 'render' engine, which will attempt to use unfinished HTML5 features like Fx and Chrome do. you can even tell the browser with render version IE should use.
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you code and design now and then? I code for living.
IE still is pain in the butt. chrome and FF is easy to code.

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[quote name='dysgenics' timestamp='1366410846' post='595648252']Figured with silverlight coming to a end, they would have improved on html5 more.[/quote]

It has been pretty much gradually getting killed off; first it was marketed as an alternative to Flash then they killed that idea then it was marketed as an alternative to Adobe Air on Windows Phone 7 and now that pretty much will come to an end - I'm really wondering at this point what is it going to be used for other than maybe a few niche LOB (Line Of Business) applications but I could imagine Metro picking up that slack as well.

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[quote name='Ashleighhank' timestamp='1366499947' post='595650092']
chrome gives 468 with html5test by the time IE catches up it will be behind some other features.
so i will stick with chrome/firefox
[/quote]
Let me give you an example. Suppose there is a math exam. Which one do you think has no credibility?
1. A test where you show students the questions and they say, "Yes, I can do this math" and "No, I can't do this math." Depending on their answers, you give them marks.
2. A test where you show students the questions and they actually have to do the math [b]AND[/b] you verify that their method is correct. Depending on that, you give them marks.

If you didn't know, html5test.com is #1 method described above.

[quote name='Ashleighhank' timestamp='1366554591' post='595650752']
you code and design now and then? I code for living.
IE still is pain in the butt. chrome and FF is easy to code.
[/quote]
Yet you quote html5test.com...? Must be new.
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[quote name='Crimson Rain' timestamp='1366573775' post='595651150']
Yet you quote html5test.com...? Must be new.
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what do you expect me to quote. OP quoted html5test so i have to quote it to compare.
do you expect me to post speed test results here for comparision with html5 test? dont be stupid

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How is 50+ tab management going for IE11 vs. IE10? IE10 has a major disadvantage where hovering the mouse pointer over the tabs and scrolling does nothing - no tab scrolling.

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[quote name='Ashleighhank' timestamp='1366579942' post='595651268']
what do you expect me to quote. OP quoted html5test so i have to quote it to compare.
do you expect me to post speed test results here for comparision with html5 test? dont be stupid
[/quote]

I believe he was commenting on the validity of html5test.com as an actual standards test for html5.

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[quote name='Ashleighhank' timestamp='1366579942' post='595651268']
what do you expect me to quote. OP quoted html5test so i have to quote it to compare.
do you expect me to post speed test results here for comparision with html5 test? dont be stupid
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OP used html5test.com to quickly find out what are the (new) things supported or not. The support may be broken/incomplete/incorrect but that is irrelevant for OP's discussion (mostly).

But saying [i]browser X scores over 9000 (in html5test.com) and browser Y does not score over 9000 so I will stick with browser X[/i] is [b]stupid[/b].

If you want to compare html5 testing, please find tests [b]that actually tests those features [/b](and also does not test millions of other things that are [b]not[/b] html5).

[quote name='_Alexander' timestamp='1366585269' post='595651388']
How is 50+ tab management going for IE11 vs. IE10? IE10 has a major disadvantage where hovering the mouse pointer over the tabs and scrolling does nothing - no tab scrolling.
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Pretty sure MS does not care about this. Most people do not open more than 10 tabs at a time.

If you need to open a lot of tabs (which is quite rare), just open multiple windows; each containing groups of tabs. This is better than tab scrolling (horizontal/vertical) anyways.

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