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#16 +warwagon

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:27

This is not ping to improve anything but just wastes space on the task bar. I have seen it in consumer preview, it's no better than what we have now.

Huh? If they restore start button, you will still need to move your mouse into the LL corner to click it :huh:


How many people understand lower left corner?


But we won't have to unhide it first. As he said this will be a benefit for phone support.


#17 Crisp

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:27

Once again THIS is the issue. We say Desktop you say Mobile devices and tablets.


Yeah WarWagon, why would you want that...

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When your desktop could have this...

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#18 BajiRav

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:30

But we won't have to unhide it first. As he said this will be a benefit for phone support.

Put you cursor/mouse in LL corner and click is what I would say even in prior versions of Windows.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:31

the return of the Start button is problematic for Microsoft because they would have to admit that they were wrong, which would cause the little loss of their corporation image; personally i would add Start menu as option in Windows features if it's really, really impossible to include option screen durning install (or OOBE) for choosing between UI depending on the type of device.

#20 +warwagon

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:32

Put you cursor/mouse in LL corner and click is what I would say even in prior versions of Windows.


Except they made it 1 pixel. So users that move their mouse JUST a little end up opening up Internet Explorer instead.

the return of the Start button is problematic for Microsoft because they would have to admit that they were wrong.


it's also called manning up.

#21 Dot Matrix

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:33

People are not used to interacting with hidden elements using a mouse.


Sure they are, the right click menus on the desktop and other desktop apps have been in Windows and other desktop OSs for years. You're telling me that doesn't count?

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:33

Put you cursor/mouse in LL corner and click is what I would say even in prior versions of Windows.


But without a visual cue, users can be just a few pixels out from the hot corner box and have nothing happen.

#23 +warwagon

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:38

Sure they are, the right click menus on the desktop and other desktop apps have been in Windows and other desktop OSs for years. You're telling me that doesn't count?


If a user wants "More options" they right click. But things like "All apps and the start button" I don't consider more options. I think that is a primary UI element that people expect unhidden and front and center to click on.

#24 +warwagon

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:43

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:44

Sure they are, the right click menus on the desktop and other desktop apps have been in Windows and other desktop OSs for years. You're telling me that doesn't count?

You right click an object (YOU CAN SEE) to display contextual options. And there are plenty of novice users who have no idea what a context menu is for.

#26 BajiRav

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:47

Except they made it 1 pixel. So users that move their mouse JUST a little end up opening up Internet Explorer instead.

Not true. It is at least 10x10 pixels on my 1680x1050 screen. I recollect they said that the hit target is same size as 7 and prior.

But without a visual cue, users can be just a few pixels out from the hot corner box and have nothing happen.

They is a visual cue.

#27 Dot Matrix

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:53

You right click an object (YOU CAN SEE) to display contextual options. And there are plenty of novice users who have no idea what a context menu is for.


No you don't. I can click anywhere on the desktop, I can click anywhere in Firefox or Internet Explorer, I can click anywhere in Word.

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You're clutching at straws there.

#28 Orange Battery

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:56

Huh? If they restore start button, you will still need to move your mouse into the LL corner to click it :huh:


Mouse movement is more to do with the navigation of the start page as I have to use the scoll bars instead of just having the menus expand as I moved my mouse over them.

Im all for innovation, the start menu was basic, I just think the start page is just bigger start menu and now requires a lot more movement across my wide screen. I truly hope it continues to evolve but I must be honest and say it takes longer with the start page to get to something than it did with the start menu, and as developers, MS should feel bad about that.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 15:57

Is Windows 8 truly worth the upgrade if you have Windows 7! I am looking for an honest opinion!

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 16:02

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And that should end this ridiculous branch of the thread. Seriously, search the web for the most atypical example of disorganized desktop or Start Page to make an obscure meaningless point?

Is Windows 8 truly worth the upgrade if you have Windows 7! I am looking for an honest opinion!


For $40 or less absolutely. Tougher call at full retail. But MS did make it available cheap for a long time. I told everyone, love it or hate it, you're a fool not to buy a license to the next version of Windows at those price.

Edit: If MS extends the discount again, don't be a fool twice.