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#1 StandingInAlley

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 17:49

Nokia granted preliminary injunction against HTC in the Netherlands over high-amplitude mics


Don't worry, this time it's not a patent issue. However, it is more bad news for HTC's oft-delayed One. Nokia has been granted an injunction by the Amsterdam district court, concerning the technology used by HTC in its current flagship. You might recall the pair of high-amplitude mics housed within One's aluminum body, but these are apparently the same dual-membrane tech that Nokia's used in its recent Lumia 720, seen above.
The Finnish company recently applied for a preliminary injunction, pointing the finger at ST Microelectronics, which is responsible for manufacturing the mic component for both Nokia and HTC. According to our source, the issue is likely to be a breach of an NDA between Nokia and ST Electronics as the phone maker asserts that the "microphone components [were] invented by and manufactured exclusively for Nokia." We're still hearing the details and will update as we hear more. We've also reached out to HTC for comment. For now, you can read up on Nokia's statement following the court's decision after the break.


Source - http://www.engadget....st-htc-one-mic/


#2 illegaloperation

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:15

I could envision a long delay for the HTC One.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:15

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:22

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.


Did you even read the article?

#5 jakem1

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:22

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.


Nokia did make a better product and now companies like HTC and Samsung are copying them rather than innovating themselves. The HTC One is nothing more than a cheap knock-off of the Lumia 920.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:24

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.


so nokia is a terrible company for going after HTC for industrial theft because HTC bought technology invented and exclusively manufactured for Nokia?

So I figure you would be ok with me going into your house and stealing all your stuff, then stealing your car. Im sure you will not "whine" about it, but instead work harder to buy and replace all your stolen possessions.

#7 HawkMan

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:25

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.


instead of making better products.... so now you're just trolling for the sake of trolling and is just ignoring any facts about the lumia series completely.

but don't worry, I'm sure your samsung will copy a high amplitude mic soon enough.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:29

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.

Rofl did you even bother to read the article? Oh wait no you didn't.

It's also rather ironic when you consider that HTC is losing a hell of a lot more than Microsoft and Apple are (possibly even Nokia if you look at their lumia line). In a space of 2 years they've gone from being one of the best to one of the worst. It's sad because the HTC used to (and it looks like they might do again) make some of the best phones around.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:31

I understand all the fug about suing for rectangle shape ... etc ... However, if you stop being a fan for a second and re-read the article, you should know why Nokia is after HTC. They are using the same technology designed and built for Nokia in their product.

It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.



#10 Aheer.R.S.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:33

Worryingly, at this rate all we're going to be left with is iPhones and Windows phones.
Pity if the consumer is going to be left with virtually no choice.
I guess time will tell what this injunction brings.


Edit,
Apologies if this is off topic.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 18:38

I understand all the fug about suing for rectangle shape ... etc ... However, if you stop being a fan for a second and re-read the article, you should know why Nokia is after HTC. They are using the same technology designed and built for Nokia in their product.


They're in fact using the exact same part. a Nokia part they haven't licensed.

Rofl did you even bother to read the article? Oh wait no you didn't.

It's also rather ironic when you consider that HTC is losing a hell of a lot more than Microsoft and Apple are (possibly even Nokia if you look at their lumia line). In a space of 2 years they've gone from being one of the best to one of the worst. It's sad because the HTC used to (and it looks like they might do again) make some of the best phones around.


HTC never made the best phones. well during the WinMo era they sort of did, mostly by being the only major OEM. but their phones never had good build quality or industrial design as for as quality went. their cameras have universally sucked their screens have been mediocre at best...

they used to be big, but not best.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 19:00

The HTC One is nothing more than a cheap knock-off of the Lumia 920.


How exactly can a "cheap knock-off" have better specs and cost more? I'm struggling to see the basis for your accusation. The HTC One has a faster quad-core processor, a much higher resolution and physically larger display, a faster GPU, double the RAM, a higher capacity battery and weighs less, with a design that has been widely praised. In terms of physical appearance they about as different as you get in the modern touch-screen era. There really isn't much they have in common, other than a disputed microphone. We should also be careful not to take such accusations at face value, especially when Nokia has been aggressively pursuing lawsuits against other companies on behalf of Microsoft.

It's one things to dislike HTC products; it's another to make baseless aspersions. You shouldn't let your personal preferences obstruct your objectivity.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 19:05

How exactly can a "cheap knock-off" have better specs and cost more? I'm struggling to see the basis for your accusation. The HTC One has a faster quad-core processor, a much higher resolution and physically larger display, a faster GPU, double the RAM, a higher capacity battery and weighs less, with a design that has been widely praised. In terms of physical appearance they about as different as you get in the modern touch-screen era. There really isn't much they have in common, other than a disputed microphone. We should also be careful not to take such accusations at face value, especially when Nokia has been aggressively pursuing lawsuits against other companies on behalf of Microsoft.

It's one things to dislike HTC products; it's another to make baseless aspersions. You shouldn't let your personal preferences obstruct your objectivity.


Yeah kinda have to agree with you here.. lol

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 19:07

How exactly can a "cheap knock-off" have better specs and cost more? I'm struggling to see the basis for your accusation. The HTC One has a faster quad-core processor, a much higher resolution and physically larger display, a faster GPU, double the RAM, a higher capacity battery and weighs less, with a design that has been widely praised. In terms of physical appearance they about as different as you get in the modern touch-screen era. There really isn't much they have in common, other than a disputed microphone. We should also be careful not to take such accusations at face value, especially when Nokia has been aggressively pursuing lawsuits against other companies on behalf of Microsoft.

It's one things to dislike HTC products; it's another to make baseless aspersions. You shouldn't let your personal preferences obstruct your objectivity.


All the parts you referred to are generic and obvious - stuffing the latest processor or more RAM in a phone is easy. They're not innovative and they're not the parts that HTC are promoting in their marketing material. The HTC One is a cheap knock-off because the headline parts are the OIS camera which has been proven to be significantly inferior to the camera in the L920 and the HAAC microphones which debuted in the L920. HTC are making a big deal of these features but they don't represent any innovation, just a poor quality copy. This has nothing to do with my personal preferences (any more than you rushing to defend HTC reflects your preferences), it's just a fact.

I want HTC to succeed but they're going to have to do more than just copy Nokia.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 19:09

so nokia is a terrible company for going after HTC for industrial theft because HTC bought technology invented and exclusively manufactured for Nokia?


ST Microelectronics sounds more to blame here. They had a NDA that they apparently didnt abide by.