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[b] Nokia granted preliminary injunction against HTC in the Netherlands over high-amplitude mics[/b]


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Don't worry, this time it's not a patent issue. However, it is more bad news for HTC's [url="http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/12/htc-confirms-one-shipment-delays-shifts-global-rollout-to-april/"]oft-delayed[/url] One. Nokia has been granted an injunction by the Amsterdam district court, concerning the technology used by HTC in its [url="http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/12/htc-one-review/"]current flagship[/url]. You might recall the pair of high-amplitude mics housed within One's aluminum body, but these are apparently the same dual-membrane tech that Nokia's used in its recent [url="http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/19/nokia-lumia-720-review/"]Lumia 720[/url], seen above.
The Finnish company recently applied for a preliminary injunction, pointing the finger at ST Microelectronics, which is responsible for manufacturing the mic component for both Nokia and HTC. According to our source, the issue is likely to be a breach of an NDA between Nokia and ST Electronics as the phone maker asserts that the "microphone components [were] invented by and manufactured exclusively for Nokia." We're still hearing the details and will update as we hear more. We've also reached out to HTC for comment. For now, you can read up on Nokia's statement following the court's decision after the break.

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Source - [url="http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/22/nokia-preliminary-injunction-against-htc-one-mic/"]http://www.engadget....st-htc-one-mic/[/url]

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I could envision a long delay for the HTC One.

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It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.

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[quote name='Boz' timestamp='1366654558' post='595652584']
It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.
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Did you even read the article?
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[quote name='Boz' timestamp='1366654558' post='595652584']
It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.
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Nokia did make a better product and now companies like HTC and Samsung are copying them rather than innovating themselves. The HTC One is nothing more than a cheap knock-off of the Lumia 920.
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[quote name='Boz' timestamp='1366654558' post='595652584']
It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.
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so nokia is a terrible company for going after HTC for industrial theft because HTC bought technology invented and exclusively manufactured for Nokia?

So I figure you would be ok with me going into your house and stealing all your stuff, then stealing your car. Im sure you will not "whine" about it, but instead work harder to buy and replace all your stolen possessions.
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[quote name='Boz' timestamp='1366654558' post='595652584']
It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.
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instead of making better products.... so now you're just trolling for the sake of trolling and is just ignoring any facts about the lumia series completely.

but don't worry, I'm sure your samsung will copy a high amplitude mic soon enough.

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[quote name='Boz' timestamp='1366654558' post='595652584']
It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.
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Rofl did you even bother to read the article? Oh wait no you didn't.

It's also rather ironic when you consider that HTC is losing a hell of a lot more than Microsoft and Apple are (possibly even Nokia if you look at their lumia line). In a space of 2 years they've gone from being one of the best to one of the worst. It's sad because the HTC used to (and it looks like they might do again) make some of the best phones around.

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I understand all the fug about suing for rectangle shape ... etc ... However, if you stop being a fan for a second and re-read the article, you should know why Nokia is after HTC. They are using the same technology designed and built for Nokia in their product.

[quote name='Boz' timestamp='1366654558' post='595652584']
It's so funny when you see those who are losing in the market whining and suing everyone instead of making better products.

It's sad.. Microsoft, Nokia, Apple etc.. we now see why we NEVER EVER should allow these companies to have any kind of dominance in the market... They are all terrible companies.
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Worryingly, at this rate all we're going to be left with is iPhones and Windows phones.
Pity if the consumer is going to be left with virtually no choice.
I guess time will tell what this injunction brings.


Edit,
Apologies if this is off topic.

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[quote name='MDboyz' timestamp='1366655501' post='595652618']
I understand all the fug about suing for rectangle shape ... etc ... However, if you stop being a fan for a second and re-read the article, you should know why Nokia is after HTC. They are using the same technology designed and built for Nokia in their product.
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They're in fact using the exact same part. a Nokia part they haven't licensed.

[quote name='-Razorfold' timestamp='1366655352' post='595652612']
Rofl did you even bother to read the article? Oh wait no you didn't.

It's also rather ironic when you consider that HTC is losing a hell of a lot more than Microsoft and Apple are (possibly even Nokia if you look at their lumia line). In a space of 2 years they've gone from being one of the best to one of the worst. It's sad because the HTC used to (and it looks like they might do again) make some of the best phones around.
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HTC never made the best phones. well during the WinMo era they sort of did, mostly by being the only major OEM. but their phones never had good build quality or industrial design as for as quality went. their cameras have universally sucked their screens have been mediocre at best...

they used to be big, but not best.

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[quote name='jakem1' timestamp='1366654940' post='595652596']The HTC One is nothing more than a cheap knock-off of the Lumia 920.[/quote]

How exactly can a "cheap knock-off" have better specs and cost more? I'm struggling to see the basis for your accusation. The HTC One has a faster quad-core processor, a much higher resolution and physically larger display, a faster GPU, double the RAM, a higher capacity battery and weighs less, with a design that has been widely praised. In terms of physical appearance they about as different as you get in the modern touch-screen era. There really isn't much they have in common, other than a disputed microphone. We should also be careful not to take such accusations at face value, especially when Nokia has been aggressively pursuing lawsuits against other companies on behalf of Microsoft.

It's one things to dislike HTC products; it's another to make baseless aspersions. You shouldn't let your personal preferences obstruct your objectivity.
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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1366657223' post='595652654']
How exactly can a "cheap knock-off" have better specs and cost more? I'm struggling to see the basis for your accusation. The HTC One has a faster quad-core processor, a much higher resolution and physically larger display, a faster GPU, double the RAM, a higher capacity battery and weighs less, with a design that has been widely praised. In terms of physical appearance they about as different as you get in the modern touch-screen era. There really isn't much they have in common, other than a disputed microphone. We should also be careful not to take such accusations at face value, especially when Nokia has been aggressively pursuing lawsuits against other companies on behalf of Microsoft.

It's one things to dislike HTC products; it's another to make baseless aspersions. You shouldn't let your personal preferences obstruct your objectivity.
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Yeah kinda have to agree with you here.. lol

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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1366657223' post='595652654']
How exactly can a "cheap knock-off" have better specs and cost more? I'm struggling to see the basis for your accusation. The HTC One has a faster quad-core processor, a much higher resolution and physically larger display, a faster GPU, double the RAM, a higher capacity battery and weighs less, with a design that has been widely praised. In terms of physical appearance they about as different as you get in the modern touch-screen era. There really isn't much they have in common, other than a disputed microphone. We should also be careful not to take such accusations at face value, especially when Nokia has been aggressively pursuing lawsuits against other companies on behalf of Microsoft.

It's one things to dislike HTC products; it's another to make baseless aspersions. You shouldn't let your personal preferences obstruct your objectivity.
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All the parts you referred to are generic and obvious - stuffing the latest processor or more RAM in a phone is easy. They're not innovative and they're not the parts that HTC are promoting in their marketing material. The HTC One is a cheap knock-off because the headline parts are the OIS camera which has been proven to be significantly inferior to the camera in the L920 and the HAAC microphones which debuted in the L920. HTC are making a big deal of these features but they don't represent any innovation, just a poor quality copy. This has nothing to do with my personal preferences (any more than you rushing to defend HTC reflects your preferences), it's just a fact.

I want HTC to succeed but they're going to have to do more than just copy Nokia.
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[quote name='vcfan' timestamp='1366655070' post='595652602']
so nokia is a terrible company for going after HTC for industrial theft because HTC bought technology invented and exclusively manufactured for Nokia?
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ST Microelectronics sounds more to blame here. They had a NDA that they apparently didnt abide by.
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[quote]HTC never made the best phones. well during the WinMo era they sort of did, mostly by being the only major OEM. but their phones never had good build quality or industrial design as for as quality went. their cameras have universally sucked their screens have been mediocre at best... [/quote]
HD2, Desire, Touch Pro 2, Diamond, Touch HD?

Yeah most of those are WinMo phones like you said but they also were really nice phones (regardless of the OS). There were often quite different to what the competition had and in terms of build quality they were still pretty good. They started to lose all that when they saturated the market with 600 copies of the same phone.

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[quote name='Dushmany' timestamp='1366655612' post='595652620']
Worryingly, at this rate all we're going to be left with is iPhones and Windows phones.
Pity if the consumer is going to be left with virtually no choice.
I guess time will tell what this injunction brings.


Edit,
Apologies if this is off topic.
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Yeah you are off topic. Nokia is not after HTC for making phones. RTA.

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This isn't HTC's fault at all. You can't blame them for buying a good mic.

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[quote name='jakem1' timestamp='1366657672' post='595652670']
All the parts you referred to are generic and obvious - stuffing the latest processor or more RAM in a phone is easy. They're not innovative and they're not the parts that HTC are promoting in their marketing material. The HTC One is a cheap knock-off because the headline parts are the OIS camera which has been proven to be significantly inferior to the camera in the L920 and the HAAC microphones which debuted in the L920.[/quote]

I don't understand how you can dismiss the unique design, CPU, display, RAM, GPU, battery, UI and weight, yet make a distinction for the microphone and camera. Does anybody really buy a phone for the microphone? And while the Lumia 920 has a great camera, so too does the HTC One - [url="http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/08/htc-one-vs-nokia-lumia-920-camera-comparison/"]this comparison[/url] shows the Lumia 920 excelling in some areas and the HTC One excelling in others. Even if we accept your premise that the Lumia 920 has a significantly better camera

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[quote name='techbeck' timestamp='1366657753' post='595652674']
ST Microelectronics sounds more to blame here. They had a NDA that they apparently didnt abide by.
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Exactly.. but god forbid Microsoft/Nokia apologists to actually read the point.

[quote name='jakem1' timestamp='1366657672' post='595652670']
All the parts you referred to are generic and obvious - stuffing the latest processor or more RAM in a phone is easy. They're not innovative
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Right.. it's super easy.. engineering piece of equipment around new processors, heat requirements and many other things is super easy.. jesus
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[quote name='techbeck' timestamp='1366657753' post='595652674']
ST Microelectronics sounds more to blame here. They had a NDA that they apparently didnt abide by.
[/quote]Yep, exactly what it sounds like to me. So sad, I have extremely high hopes for the HTC One - every single review I have read is extremely positive, and sounds way more attractive than Samsung GS4 or other competitors.

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[quote name='tsupersonic' timestamp='1366661353' post='595652798']
Yep, exactly what it sounds like to me. So sad, I have extremely high hopes for the HTC One - every single review I have read is extremely positive, and sounds way more attractive than Samsung GS4 or other competitors.
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Well, if HTC has no knowledge of what STM did, then HTC should sue STM.
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[quote name='techbeck' timestamp='1366661550' post='595652808']
Well, if HTC has no knowledge of what STM did, then HTC should sue STM.
[/quote]I honestly hope they do, if the situation is what I think it is - this sounds like HTC is just using STM mic in the One, and STM is using the same mic (or same technology) between Nokia products and HTC One. If that's the case, Nokia should really sue STM, and not go after HTC.

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[quote name='tsupersonic' timestamp='1366661853' post='595652814']
I honestly hope they do, if the situation is what I think it is - this sounds like HTC is just using STM mic in the One, and STM is using the same mic (or same technology) between Nokia products and HTC One. If that's the case, Nokia should really sue STM, and not go after HTC.
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Exactly. Nokia shouldn't be able to prevent HTC from selling a phone because of wrongdoing on the part of a supplier shared by both companies. That sort of behaviour is anti-competitive and is bad for consumers. If STM is to blame [i]it[/i] should be the one facing a lawsuit, as any technology developed exclusively for Nokia shouldn't be sold to competitors. Unfortunately this looks to be a case of Nokia abusing its market position to disadvantage a competitor, rather than simply defending its intellectual property.

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[quote name='tsupersonic' timestamp='1366661853' post='595652814']
I honestly hope they do, if the situation is what I think it is - this sounds like HTC is just using STM mic in the One, and STM is using the same mic (or same technology) between Nokia products and HTC One. If that's the case, Nokia should really sue STM, and not go after HTC.
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Nokia have said that STM is to blame (it's in the article) They aren't suing HTC:

[quote]The Amsterdam District Court has today granted Nokia's request for a [b]preliminary injunction against the supply to HTC of microphone components[/b] invented by and manufactured exclusively for Nokia.[/quote]

So you see Nokia wants the supply of the microphones to stop, which would also end up delaying the phone launch. They aren't outright stopping the sale of HTC one and if HTC puts out a redesigned microphone from another company they're welcome to sell it.

[quote]Exactly.. but god forbid Microsoft/Nokia apologists to actually read the point.[/quote]
Yeah because your original post wasn't just outright trolling right? Stop trying to pretend you didn't mean that.

[quote]Exactly. Nokia shouldn't be able to prevent HTC from selling a phone because of wrongdoing on the part of a supplier shared by both companies. That sort of behaviour is anti-competitive and is bad for consumers. If STM is to blame it should be the one facing a lawsuit, as any technology developed exclusively for Nokia shouldn't be sold to competitors. Unfortunately this looks to be a case of Nokia abusing its market position to disadvantage a competitor, rather than simply defending its intellectual property.
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Except I don't see where Nokia says they're suing HTC? The article and the press report say Nokia applied for an injunction to stop the supply of STM microphones to HTC. The article even says that Nokia points the finger squarely at STM.

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