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#16 Draconian Guppy

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:04

I dunno, this review says the video is pretty bad on the 6D.
http://gizmodo.com/5...ull+frame-video


you're kidding me? out of the reputable review sites you chose the giz? for real reviews checkout either dpreview.com or dxomark.


http://www.dpreview....canon-eos-6d/21

Heck even the mkiii has the same "issues"

http://www.dpreview....-5d-mark-iii/24

Same sensor and processor...


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 03:29

It sounds like you're trying to get a 1-size-fits-all situation due to money constraints; you'll outgrow what ever zoom lens you buy pretty quick on a 5D.


Well as I said, I can easily rent out other lenses at school, but for me right now.. I just need something for everyday shooting.. yes going for the 1 size fits all.. exactly what you said.


you're kidding me? out of the reputable review sites you chose the giz? for real reviews checkout either dpreview.com or dxomark.


http://www.dpreview....canon-eos-6d/21

Heck even the mkiii has the same "issues"

http://www.dpreview....-5d-mark-iii/24

Same sensor and processor...


Yeah I realized that just now. Giz is not a very good site. I also read that they the problem was with the pre-production models. So I'm still up in the air right now.

Also just read and saw the review over http://www.canonwatc...ssue-confirmed/ seems like Mk3 is the way to go imo.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:07

seeing you are on a budget and the difference in image quality from the mkIII is negligible (and according to dxomark, the 6d excels in some areas), get the 6d and buy a good superzoom which is what your need is at the moment, such as the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM,

http://www.amazon.co...dslr zoom prime
http://www.amazon.co...dslr zoom prime

either one of those and get the nifty fifty for about $100 bucks ( if you chose the 70-200)
http://www.amazon.co...ords=canon 50mm for the f1.8
http://www.amazon.co...ords=canon 50mm for the f1.5
and

http://www.amazon.co...wide angle dslr

http://www.amazon.co...wide angle dslr


like posted above, there isn't a "one to rule them all lens", so again, seeing as you're budget minded, go for the cheaper body and invest and some decent glass.

Also remember, neither the mkiii or the 6d have built in flash, so you mine want to consider that into the equation$$$

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 17:08

I think I am going to go for the MKIII and the 24-105mm f/4.. so practically the MK3 with Kit lens? It is just all the extra stuff with the MK3 is stuff I probably will need in the future. Like the headphone jack and the dual memory card slots. The MK3, like the MK2 will probably be a top of the line camera for many years to come.

I think why Canon made the 6D was to phase out the MK2, but it isn't as good as the MK3. Looking at the MK2, so many filmmakers used it and it's held it's own for a lot of years now and I believe the MK3 will probably do the same. The reviews video wise say that the MK3 isn't as sharp, but you can easily fix it in post. But what the 6D is missing is all the extra focus points, which is probably a good feature.


Is there a reason to go for the 6D and not the MK3 because of the footage more sharp + price? I pretty much do grading and CC to my footage in post anyway.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 04:40

Autofocus points will be an issue, you can get around those in Nikon (all AFS lens have manual override so you can focus wherever you want ) don't know if you can with canon lens? Someone please pitch in on that.

The worst mistake you can make is thinking you'll be set with one lens. The only reason I suggested the 6d was because of budget, I would personally have a body with almost the same performance as the mk3 and buy more glass. If money wasn't an issue I'd say mk3 without a doubt
If you can rent lens or borrow perhaps, buy the body only and buy lens later based on your experience, camera bodies come and go, lens dont.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 16:39

Autofocus points will be an issue, you can get around those in Nikon (all AFS lens have manual override so you can focus wherever you want ) don't know if you can with canon lens? Someone please pitch in on that.

The worst mistake you can make is thinking you'll be set with one lens. The only reason I suggested the 6d was because of budget, I would personally have a body with almost the same performance as the mk3 and buy more glass. If money wasn't an issue I'd say mk3 without a doubt
If you can rent lens or borrow perhaps, buy the body only and buy lens later based on your experience, camera bodies come and go, lens dont.


Well as I said, I can borrow lenses from the school for free next semester. So with that said, the MKIII and 24-105mm should be fine for everyday shooting right? or is there a better lens I can get? Also do you guys know in the future, if I am going to pick up the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 if that will work with the MKiii?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:03

Well as I said, I can borrow lenses from the school for free next semester. So with that said, the MKIII and 24-105mm should be fine for everyday shooting right? or is there a better lens I can get? Also do you guys know in the future, if I am going to pick up the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 if that will work with the MKiii?


Yeah the f4 24-105 would be a good walkaround lens, "normal" view is around 50mm. The sigma you posted should work perfectly with that body.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:09

it would not work fine, as the sigma is a dx crop lens.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:13

it would not work fine, as the sigma is a dx crop lens.


Oh well that's a bummer, so if I were going to go for Sigma lenses in the future.. which ones should I be looking at?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 14:25

it would not work fine, as the sigma is a dx crop lens.

Oh well that's a bummer, so if I were going to go for Sigma lenses in the future.. which ones should I be looking at?


:s Can't "dx" lens be used on fx bodies like nikon? (with the obvious light fall offs), sorry I thought you could so the same in canon :/


edit: Holy hell should've read this before posting:

On Nikon you can mount a DX lens on an FX camera. And the camera (Nikon D3, D700, D3x) responds by automatically reducing the coverage of the viewfinder images and cropping the resulting JPG or raw image. This is a sensible thing to do as the lens was designed for smaller sensors: the extra field of view covered by the larger sensor will have (often much) lower quality than the DX part.

Canon’s EF-S lenses, in contrast, are mechanically blocked from mounting on an FX camera. Canon’s story is that, because the FX mirror is larger than the DX mirror, there is a risk of the larger DX mirror hitting the back of the EF-S lens and destroying the mirror and maybe the lens. In other words, this mechanical safety measure allows EF-S lenses to be designed that are physically unsafe to use on an FX camera like the Canon 1D or 5D series. This mechanical safety measure is actually a special plastic ring at the back of every EF-S lens. If you are brave enough, you can remove that ring with a screw driver (at your own risk) according to some sources (link1, link2, link3).

http://peter.vdhamer...n-an-fx-camera/

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 15:29

So are all Sigmas DX lenses? I was reffering to this Lens. It's not out yet.Posted Image

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 18:31

That sigma lens you have quoted is a DX crop factor lens. you could use it on a fullframe but #1 you might hit the mirror or #2 you will see black corners at certain focal length and wider (making the zoom appear much less).

I think you have a great zoom if you get 24-105 f4 as all purpose. I think you should look into getting some old large aperture manual lens for your video work as those will give your videos a more cinematic feel than a smaller aperture zoom lens can.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 21:34

That sigma lens you have quoted is a DX crop factor lens. you could use it on a fullframe but #1 you might hit the mirror or #2 you will see black corners at certain focal length and wider (making the zoom appear much less).

I think you have a great zoom if you get 24-105 f4 as all purpose. I think you should look into getting some old large aperture manual lens for your video work as those will give your videos a more cinematic feel than a smaller aperture zoom lens can.


Yeah, you lost me at "you might hit the mirror" :/ aren't almost all nikon glasses compatible ( excluding metering) compatible except for the pre-AI lens?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:58

That sigma lens you have quoted is a DX crop factor lens. you could use it on a fullframe but #1 you might hit the mirror or #2 you will see black corners at certain focal length and wider (making the zoom appear much less).

I think you have a great zoom if you get 24-105 f4 as all purpose. I think you should look into getting some old large aperture manual lens for your video work as those will give your videos a more cinematic feel than a smaller aperture zoom lens can.


The Ai/Ais lenses? You said they were Nikon though? How does that work? Thought Nikon lenses are not compatible with Canon bodies?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:07

The Ai/Ais lenses? You said they were Nikon though? How does that work? Thought Nikon lenses are not compatible with Canon bodies?


Yeah i'm talking about old nikon lens on modern nikon FX body, ignore my comments.

However, since you are into video, this is a good read for you:

http://www.danmccomb...n-a-canon-dslr/

"I recently took the plunge into DSLR cinematography by purchasing an $800 Canon T2i. If you scoff at the idea that video shot on a consumer grade Rebel can be taken serious by pros, I look forward to showing you some of the video I’ve been shooting. I’ll post a proper review of how this unpretentious game-changer is working for me in my documentary work soon. But today I want to talk about lenses."

It basically talks on use of adapters and whatnot.