Cosmin Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hy. I wish to upgrade soon my actual system and some quick online research gave me the alternative for IvyBridge 3570(non-k)..which is : Xeon1230v2. - not interested in overclocking/integrated GPU. - working with graphics (PS/AI), 3DCAD(Inventor/Solidworks) - 3D Modelling (3Ds Max) especially. - wish to spend less than 3770 can be.. but performance is on top. Motherboard - Z77 chipset for latest technologies (interested in SSD cache). - Asrock Z77 Pro 3 or 4.. a good choice? Thanks for suggestions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 No significant objections. But you'll save very little. You won't gain much if anything. - hyperthreading I'm currently under impression that it doesn't help pro rendering at all and sometimes even makes it all worse (going so far Autodesk even recommends turning it off) - server/workstation chips Probably enjoying a bit more attention during binning process - wee bit more cache It quite probably doesn't help much either. - ECC Which you won't be able to capitalise on, because consumer boards with ECC are practically non-existant. - Sacrifice Minus 100 MHz vs 3570 and minus 200 MHz vs 3770 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 so it's worth it or..not? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbamaris Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Server processors are not compatible with desktop motherboards. Unless you insisted that you were swapping your whole system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 No, it really isn't [worth it]. @xbamaris: Yes, they very much are. Certain strong logic aside, do look up nearly any desktop board QVL. And most uniprocessor server boards will happily take desktop processors, so it works that way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Short answer: It costs more, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 Read an article that gave me indecision.. " After doing some research I decided to go with the E3 1230 v2 as it is essentially an Intel Core i7 without integrated graphics (and about $100 cheaper)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Because, as outlined above, Xeon and i7 has hyper-threading, whereas i5 doesn't. See if the software you use and specific work you are doing takes better advantage of parallelism rather than pure speed and then it's Xeon for you. By a popular opinion it doesn't (Autodesk), but see for yourself - it might be specific. Or if you like to multitask, like - render something, while browsing twenty tabs, while also playing youtubes in background and copying stuff - many little things at once as opposed to focusing on the task at hand - it might perform marginally better than i5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 Yes.. I do need those advantages but I'm a bit afraid of motherboard compatibility even after the bios update.. (for example the Asus P8Z77v Lx which has an update for supporting this xeon but..). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 There's this thread: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=64227&p=558644 Which has this to say: With the E3-1230v2 as the baseline and using Newegg for prices: The E3-1240V2 is ~3% faster, 14% more expensive. The E3-1270V2 is ~6.5% faster, 42% more expensive. The i7-3770 is ~6.5% faster, also same price as the 1270V2 at 42% more expensive. So, if you can get one for cheaper than the 3570, sure, go for. I would still think you could find more deals on the 3570. Honestly, in this price range, if you have a Microcenter near by, it's silly not to just buy a 3570k for $189. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br0adband Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Xeons nowadays work in the same motherboards that consumer class i3/i5/i7 processors work in just fine. The benefit to the Xeon the OP was considering is it's an i7 minus the onboard GPU so it runs a bit cooler overall, uses a bit less energy, and it offers HyperThreading which can improve things in some situations. It's $100 less than the same basic i7 as well so yes, it's a great processor. It lacks the ability of overclocking that the i7 has but really, it's fast enough for 99% of things overall. You can get the Xeon 1230v2 and a decent (not super ultra hella fantastic, obviously) motherboard for the cost of the i7 alone so yes, it's a win-win situation and a fantastic processor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuishimi Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I thought 3D rendering apps were supposed to take advantage of multiple cores/threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Those features ASUS means is ECC. No (uniprocessor) desktop board supports error checking and correcting memory, and, frankly, it's quite useless even in enterprise unless you're running some World Banking or NASA stuff. And potential of hyperthreading in rendering and encoding is very questionable even in theory. While processors have become very clever, consider this: if a program loads all cores to maximum as it is, there's little use in splitting each core in two while also incuring penalty for keeping the whole thing in order and feeding data in a manner that avoids waiting for memory to come up with something. It probably could be optimized, but it's such a hell of a job for such a small gain (and not everyone even has such processors - consider the whole AMD crowd), that, I figure, nobody bothers. A GPU, on the other hand, actually has thousand little ALUs on die, there's no complicated logic involved into managing them or predicting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 You can get the Xeon 1230v2 and a decent (not super ultra hella fantastic, obviously) motherboard for the cost of the i7 alone so yes, it's a win-win situation and a fantastic processor. Any recommended model is aprecciated.. on my list there's Asrock z77 pro3(or 4) & Asus P8Z77 v lx(or 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Any recommended model is aprecciated.. on my list there's Asrock z77 pro3(or 4) & Asus P8Z77 v lx(or 2) I have an Asrock Pro 4, no complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 A minor aspect.. Haswell comes with xeon(non-gpu & equivalent to core i7) editions too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Haswell will indeed have such, with 12x0v3 designation (models with 12x5v3 will have GPUs). Supposed to have the same release date as consumer counterparts. I don't think initial pricing (while it's all up for grabs) will justify the purchase as in this case here. And motherboards will not have matured, too. For a certain stability guarantee I suggest you not to be an early adopter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 And motherboards will not have matured, too If you mean with this - bios update.. it won't hurt me so much :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Updates won't hurt. Possible crashes and obscure bugs might. I'm not insisting, but me - I'd rather wait some time for market to settle down, wait for reviews to crop up and such, so it's clear that there isn't anything close to another Panther Point. There's already this USB3 sleep bug Intel found (glad they did it before release) and then there's possible incompatibilities with some power supplies due to new C7 power state. There's a lot to consider and watch out for. Cosmin 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 Indeed :shifty: .. thanks a lot for quick support and details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 I'm coming with news.. haven't decided yet & need your pro opinions related to my worries.. 1. Haswell (core i5) vs. 2. Ivy Bridge (Xeon) - not interested in overclock - GPU from CPU will not improve my life (useless) - worried about sleep bug on Haswell as long as that motherboard will live years inside my case. - 1230v3 will increase the costs and it's not a solution. Any suggestion is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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