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#16 +LogicalApex

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 20:36

I'm glad they did it. No, they'll never bring it back.
Technology goes forward and if this is no good for you, get the old, thick Macbook Pro and you'll have your old ethernet with no adaptor.
There's no miracle.


Wait what... Existing Wireless technology is still not as fast as Ethernet from 5+ years ago... 802.11ac is theoretically supposed to offer us Gigabit WiFi while Gigabit wired offers that today. 10GbE (10 Gigabit Ethernet) is already in use in businesses and will make its way down to consumers soon. So, to say Ethernet is somehow outdated and useless only makes you look foolish...

Especially since Wireless still can't match the speeds it offers. Lets not even talk about the latency issues that wireless introduces...


#17 Sandor

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 20:46

Actually it means eventually you will be forced into buying something that you don't want since within a decade no laptop will have them built in as a standard feature. They will go the way of the floppy disk as they should.

sorry but...

LOL

#18 Luis Mazza

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 21:13

Wait what... Existing Wireless technology is still not as fast as Ethernet from 5+ years ago... 802.11ac is theoretically supposed to offer us Gigabit WiFi while Gigabit wired offers that today. 10GbE (10 Gigabit Ethernet) is already in use in businesses and will make its way down to consumers soon. So, to say Ethernet is somehow outdated and useless only makes you look foolish...

Especially since Wireless still can't match the speeds it offers. Lets not even talk about the latency issues that wireless introduces...


Where exactly am I saying that Ethernet is useless? If you want to expose your ideas you should do it without quoting my post, regarding this subject, as I didn't say that.
First, I have an adaptor for my rMBP because I use it as a desktop replacement, even though I have Wifi for other uses.

The point is that Apple ditched the ethernet port to keep the design thin and that is a great choice, because there's an adaptor for that and thunderbolt is thin and allows you to have whatever port you want. If you guys don't like that, you can choose whatever thick and ugly laptop you want. Also, if you want more USB ports, you can also choose a dock or go for an old PC style.

If it was not for Apple's (and Intel's) courage to push new hardware and ditch the crappy old, we would still have bulky laptops with CD-ROM, floppy-disks, hard drives, ethernet and firewire ports.

#19 pickypg

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 21:47

I'm glad they did it. No, they'll never bring it back.
Technology goes forward and if this is no good for you, get the old, thick Macbook Pro and you'll have your old ethernet with no adaptor.
There's no miracle.

The rMBP is thick enough to have a minimal ethernet port on it, but it would not have been as "pretty" as the line of ports that they currently have. The only reason they don't is because they don't need too; people willing to pay for the rMBP will pay for the ethernet adapter if they need it, and they will use wireless when they do not need it.

Ethernet is very far from a dead technology. It is kind of unfortunate that it has such a large head though.

I own a 15", 2011 MBP, and I love it, but I am thankful that I have all of my precious ports. The problem with using an adapter is that it removes the given port for use for something else. Not to mention, $30 for a USB to Ethernet adapter will slow down a fast ethernet connection (gigabit), and it's a ridiculous price.

Now, with all of that said, I do look forward to expanded use of Thunderbolt on monitors. I am waiting for the next generation of monitor technology to kick in (4K TVs and high DPI tablets/laptops currently skipping the love for desktop monitors) before diving in, but I look forward to using a monitor like the Apple 27" one that has everything connected to it rather than requiring a separate dock for laptops. Though, I have read that there are consistent problems with using Apple's monitor on a PC, so I hope someone else jumps on the Thunderbolt monitor + dock bandwagon.

#20 McKay

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 21:52

I think it was a misguided idea to remove the ethernet port in order to make the rMBP thinner.

Carrying adapters isn't my style either


But everyone buying masses of $30 adaptors is Apples style :rofl:

#21 pickypg

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 21:58

Where exactly am I saying that Ethernet is useless? If you want to expose your ideas you should do it without quoting my post, regarding this subject, as I didn't say that.
First, I have an adaptor for my rMBP because I use it as a desktop replacement, even though I have Wifi for other uses.


You didn't say that it was useless. You effectively said that it was old-and-dead technology.

The point is that Apple ditched the ethernet port to keep the design thin and that is a great choice, because there's an adaptor for that and thunderbolt is thin and allows you to have whatever port you want. If you guys don't like that, you can choose whatever thick and ugly laptop you want. Also, if you want more USB ports, you can also choose a dock or go for an old PC style.

If it was not for Apple's (and Intel's) courage to push new hardware and ditch the crappy old, we would still have bulky laptops with CD-ROM, floppy-disks, hard drives, ethernet and firewire ports.


You are confused about what LogicalApex and I are taking issue with in your posts. I think he owns a MBP like myself; we appreciate some of Apple's decisions.

Both of our points is that ethernet is not a crappy and old technology. Saying that is, is simply wrong. Ethernet is not completely replaceable by WiFi, particularly not on a "Pro" level device working with large data sets. The decision to remove ethernet from the rMBP was much more likely related to pushing adapters and keeping the line of ports pretty.

As an example: I live in a neighborhood with a lot of close neighbors. This is a problem for WiFi. Using 802.11ac will help to fix that, but eventually everyone will upgrade to that and repeat the problem. On the other hand, ethernet can only collide the signal across the wire, and it's almost always going to be faster to boot without a wall causing a signal issue (granted, the wire must go through that wall).

#22 Elliot B.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 22:00

I'm glad they did it. No, they'll never bring it back.
Technology goes forward and if this is no good for you, get the old, thick Macbook Pro and you'll have your old ethernet with no adaptor.
There's no miracle.

Wireless is currently not "forward" since it's almost always slower than a wired option.

#23 vanx

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 22:30

...
Everywhere else, I use WiFi like any normal person would.
...


Are you implying that if you are not using WiFi, you are not normal?

If it was not for Apple's (and Intel's) courage to push new hardware and ditch the crappy old, we would still have bulky laptops with CD-ROM, floppy-disks, hard drives, ethernet and firewire ports.


There is nothing crappy or old about Ethernet. It is a mature, evolving technology. It may not be "cool" according to Apple, but most of their profits come from devices that rely solely on wireless technologies for data connectivity, so no surprise there.

#24 Luis Mazza

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 22:47

The rMBP is thick enough to have a minimal ethernet port on it, but it would not have been as "pretty" as the line of ports that they currently have. The only reason they don't is because they don't need too; people willing to pay for the rMBP will pay for the ethernet adapter if they need it, and they will use wireless when they do not need it.

Ethernet is very far from a dead technology. It is kind of unfortunate that it has such a large head though.

I own a 15", 2011 MBP, and I love it, but I am thankful that I have all of my precious ports. The problem with using an adapter is that it removes the given port for use for something else. Not to mention, $30 for a USB to Ethernet adapter will slow down a fast ethernet connection (gigabit), and it's a ridiculous price.

Now, with all of that said, I do look forward to expanded use of Thunderbolt on monitors. I am waiting for the next generation of monitor technology to kick in (4K TVs and high DPI tablets/laptops currently skipping the love for desktop monitors) before diving in, but I look forward to using a monitor like the Apple 27" one that has everything connected to it rather than requiring a separate dock for laptops. Though, I have read that there are consistent problems with using Apple's monitor on a PC, so I hope someone else jumps on the Thunderbolt monitor + dock bandwagon.


You clearly don't know the size of the ethernet port vs. the rMBP sides. lol
USB ports hardly fit on the sides of the rMBP, now you can imagine double that size.

Some company has to push new technology and some people are willing to pay for cutting-edge tech. That's how new standards are created.
By pushing old ethernet cables out, they may develop thunderbolt or even USB ethernet.

BTW, ethernet is from 1980... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

Pretty new, huh? Were you already born in 1980? lol

#25 +LogicalApex

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 23:34

BTW, ethernet is from 1980... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

Pretty new, huh? Were you already born in 1980? lol


What's your point? TCP/IP is from 1974 yet without it the Internet wouldn't work on anything. I get it though, you think it would be a "cool" thing to scrap TCP/IP because it is from the 70s. If it wasn't created last year then it serves no place...

Luckily for those of us who live in reality you're stuck on a forum spouting nonsense instead of actually mucking up real technological innovation.

Nothing is replaced for the sake of replacing it. Things are replaced when something better actually comes along. Wireless isn't better than Wired. It offers convenience and that convenience is fine due to most people not needing the full power of Gigabit Ethernet. Both technologies will co-exist for a long time, possibly forever. It has nothing to do with what is "older" or not.

#26 Luis Mazza

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 23:52

What's your point? TCP/IP is from 1974 yet without it the Internet wouldn't work on anything. I get it though, you think it would be a "cool" thing to scrap TCP/IP because it is from the 70s. If it wasn't created last year then it serves no place...

Luckily for those of us who live in reality you're stuck on a forum spouting nonsense instead of actually mucking up real technological innovation.

Nothing is replaced for the sake of replacing it. Things are replaced when something better actually comes along. Wireless isn't better than Wired. It offers convenience and that convenience is fine due to most people not needing the full power of Gigabit Ethernet. Both technologies will co-exist for a long time, possibly forever. It has nothing to do with what is "older" or not.


You're talking about protocols and I'm talking about ports. So there's no actual good talking here.
I'm done with your "real world". Maybe if you feel more intelligent by grabbing pieces of misplaced comments and using this to whine, I don't.

#27 Roger H.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 23:53

To the OP, sadly it's not coming back but it's crap like this that makes me feel like Apple is not for the "serious" users, more casual usage or even say college students (which some dorms don't even have WIFI standard, guess adapters for them!) doing projects and such. Definitely there's a targeted group of users but still....

People were saying that Apple removed it to make it thinner? WTF? Looking at Apple.com right now and checking the tech specs pages of the MacBook Air:

http://www.apple.com...kair/specs.html

I'm looking at that USB and ThunderBolt port at the side, you're telling me a Ethernet port couldn't fit in that space? According to them it's 17mm (1.7cm) thick at the thick edge, The Lenovo Thinkpad T431s is 20.6mm (2.06cm) thick and HAS a Ethernet port. So Apple couldn't cut the USB hole 3mm thicker? I say whatever to that! :rolleyes:

Form over function at it's finest. Hey i'm no Apple hater though as I recommend them all the time to my friends when their old Compaq/HP Windows Vista PCs died. They got shiny new MacBooks now and loving it more than anything!! I definitely think they are great machines but not for most of us it would seem.

#28 +da00

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 00:11

Are you implying that if you are not using WiFi, you are not normal?

****..

I might have to visit the mental hospital.

#29 fusi0n

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 00:14

Removing the ethernet port is insane.. My Asus Zenbook doesn't have an ethernet port.. kinda annoying

#30 +warwagon

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 00:40

My couch computer has a laptop with the lid closed and 2 monitored hooked up to it. Not very far away I have my cable modem and a wireless router. Is the laptop connected via the wifi? Nope! There is an ethernet cable running along the wall giving me gigabit ethernet. Whenever I have the option I go wired.

How many support calls do I get about someones wired connection? Very few
How many support calls do I get about someones wireless connection? Quite a few.