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#1 Hum

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 23:33

An American woman is in a United Kingdom prison after repeatedly forcing her 14-year-old daughter to inseminate herself with donor sperm, because the mother wanted another baby and could not conceive or adopt more children.

After a miscarriage at 14, the girl had a baby at 17, after regularly inseminating herself with sperm her mother purchased on the Internet, according to a report in The Guardian. The girl -- a virgin-- was apparently too scared to refuse her adoptive “domineering” mother’s request.

The mother has not been identified to protect the daughter and grandchild.

Over a two-year period, the daughter had to inseminate herself seven times, while alone in her room at home, using syringes of semen. In hopes of getting a girl, the mother forced her daughter to follow a special diet and use painful acidic douches containing vinegar or lemon and lime juice, in the belief it could affect the baby’s gender.

When she became pregnant at 16, the daughter told health workers a concocted story about spending the night with a boy who abandoned her and was now abroad. The girl also told health professionals she wanted her mother to raise the child.

The mother had already adopted three children as infants from other countries, two when she was married, and one as a single, divorced parent. A health condition prevented her from giving birth on her own so she had undergone elective sterilization.

When she had trouble adopting a fourth child, she became distraught and turned to her adopted daughter to provide her with another baby, according to court documents.

The crime was discovered in July 2011 when the girl gave birth.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 00:26

I would say the mom was sick but sick doesn't even come close to it.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 00:26

I would say the mom was sick but sick doesn't even come close to it.

Dare I say....deranged?


err wait

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:15

I would say the mom was sick but sick doesn't even come close to it.


I would actually say she was really quite ill and obviously needs help. Sick would have been forcing the girl to sleep with guys to get her pregnant.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:21

Buying sperm from the net? thank god it was screened and was human sperm.........
So by that logic, I wonder if I can buy Swedish sex slaves.....

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:00

I would actually say she was really quite ill and obviously needs help. Sick would have been forcing the girl to sleep with guys to get her pregnant.

Ill / Sick being interchangeable terms. I'd argue either case is disgusting and wrong.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:10

I would actually say she was really quite ill and obviously needs help. Sick would have been forcing the girl to sleep with guys to get her pregnant.


That seems like a strange line to draw. I would say that forcing your teenage daughter to undergo multiple pregnancies and miscarriages is pretty sick regardless of whether intercourse was involved or not. I agree that she needs help but a 5 year gaol sentence seems short for such a serious form of abuse.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:16

That seems like a strange line to draw. I would say that forcing your teenage daughter to undergo multiple pregnancies and miscarriages is pretty sick regardless of whether intercourse was involved or not. I agree that she needs help but a 5 year gaol sentence seems short for such a serious form of abuse.


To me, it sounds like the woman clearly had some kind of mental illness that made her desperately need babies, no matter the cost. I'm not excusing what she did; but I think treatment in a secure institution is a more appropriate sentence here. Somewhere where she can get the help she clearly needs instead of being locked up like any other abuser.

Not being able to have your own children can do funny things to some women; one of my sisters had some complex mental health issues when she found she could never conceive, so I can perhaps see a little better why this woman might have been driven to do this.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:24

Yes, she needed help. Clearly has mental issues. BUT she planned this, watched her daughter go through a misscariage, and then did it all again. She can get the help she needs when in prison.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:49

o_O

Nuts, OR an artifact of the welfare state.

Here in the US we often see women who have child after child to stay on welfare & get various benefits and tax advantages like the child and expanded earned income tax credits (reverse taxes - an income support.)

If her daughter was nearing adulthood, and therefore reducing moms eligibility, the gravy train was nearing the last station. In the absense of yet another adoption a new grandbaby as a dependant provides another benefit cycle.

One of welfares donations to the law of unintended consequences.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:57

To me, it sounds like the woman clearly had some kind of mental illness that made her desperately need babies, no matter the cost. I'm not excusing what she did; but I think treatment in a secure institution is a more appropriate sentence here. Somewhere where she can get the help she clearly needs instead of being locked up like any other abuser.

Not being able to have your own children can do funny things to some women; one of my sisters had some complex mental health issues when she found she could never conceive, so I can perhaps see a little better why this woman might have been driven to do this.


There are plenty of people in prison with mental health problems and sad stories. She didn't just abuse her daughter - she took advantage of her insecurity as an adoptee and systematically abused her physically and emotionally.

I agree that pregnancy-related issues can be hard for women to bear but consider the daughter who will now associate being pregnant with abuse. What if she wants to have children of her own in the future but can't because of what happened to her as a teenager?

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Nuts, OR an artifact of the welfare state.

Here in the US we often see women who have child after child to stay on welfare & get various benefits and tax advantages like the child and expanded earned income tax credits (reverse taxes - an income support.)

If her daughter was nearing adulthood, and therefore reducing moms eligibility, the gravy train was nearing the last station. In the absense of yet another adoption a new grandbaby as a dependant provides another benefit cycle.

One of welfares donations to the law of unintended consequences.


Stop trolling.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:31

There are plenty of people in prison with mental health problems and sad stories. She didn't just abuse her daughter - she took advantage of her insecurity as an adoptee and systematically abused her physically and emotionally.

I agree that pregnancy-related issues can be hard for women to bear but consider the daughter who will now associate being pregnant with abuse. What if she wants to have children of her own in the future but can't because of what happened to her as a teenager?


I'm not arguing that she should be released, not at all. I just think she should serve her sentence in a place where she can get treatment instead of just left to rot and never get better. Once she's better, THEN move her to a regular prison to serve out her time.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:31

Stop trolling.


That problem with the welfare system is very well documented and recognized by pragmatists of the left and right. Economics 101: if you incentivise something you usually get more of it.

Maybe it's your perceptions that need a reality check

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:46

this is just too sad and quite dramatic, for all the interventionists: the mother, daughter and the baby. :cry: :/

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:44

I'm not arguing that she should be released, not at all. I just think she should serve her sentence in a place where she can get treatment instead of just left to rot and never get better. Once she's better, THEN move her to a regular prison to serve out her time.


That's fair enough although shouldn't that be applies to all prisoners with mental health issues? I understand that you feel differently about this because of your sister's experiences but I don't see how this woman deserves special treatment over other prisoners.

That problem with the welfare system is very well documented and recognized by pragmatists of the left and right. Economics 101: if you incentivise something you usually get more of it.

Maybe it's your perceptions that need a reality check


It's funny how you're happy to take advantage of welfare like Medicare and have the state pay for your medical costs but you then demonise anyone else on benefits and look for additional ways to run the welfare system down. You don't have any evidence that the woman was exploiting welfare so your straw man arguments are nothing more than trolling.



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