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#31 HawkMan

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:48

No they weren't...

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews-360.html

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews-ps3.html

There's a small comparison. At this point in the generation the PS3 has a lot more exlusive JRPGs than the 360. It's simply mind boggling you're trying to argue otherwise in the face of fact, since 2010 especially pretty much none of the JRPGs released outside of Final Fantasy have released on the 360.

The only 360 JRPGs that are exclusive that I can think of are Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey, MagnaCarta II and The Last Remnant. All early gen titles. Tales of Vesperia was ported to PS3, as was Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean 4.


what are those lists supposed to show. and most JRPG's that's released internationally and not japan only have been multiplatform.

I've gone through about 500 of the last 1000 posts I made and I can't see anywhere where I said I'd never get an Xbox, you are confusing me with someone else.


He might be confusing you with AB or or the dude with the blue avatar with a red eye.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:09

While these are yet more unofficially confirmed rumors, it doesn't seem to far fetched that the Nextbox would have heat issues. That's exactly what happened with the original 360 and all of the RRODs. I'm not saying I believe the rumors, but it's not totally unbelievable.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:15

While these are yet more unofficially confirmed rumors, it doesn't seem to far fetched that the Nextbox would have heat issues. That's exactly what happened with the original 360 and all of the RRODs. I'm not saying I believe the rumors, but it's not totally unbelievable.

Where the hell did you get heat issues from ? and your logic don't make any sense, since that would be exactly why it wouldn't have it.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:21

Microsoft has lost focus, and it seem that nothing is actually coming out, "finished." Everything is lacking and needs months or years of fine tuning just to be a good complete product.

Except the Server and Server Applications divisions. Maybe breaking up MS isn't such a bad idea. Something is definitely wrong. I'd have to say based on Surface, WP8, and Modern UI, I'm more inclined to believe the rumors than not. And releasing a console AND a set top box, no way they can get it right out of the gate.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:23

Where the hell did you get heat issues from ? and your logic don't make any sense, since that would be exactly why it wouldn't have it.


Mart talked about another rumor that mentioned Devs were seeing heat issues with Durango. That's what I was referring to. And just because Microsoft made a hardware design mistake last generation, doesn't necessarily mean they WON'T make it again.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:31

Where the hell did you get heat issues from ? and your logic don't make any sense, since that would be exactly why it wouldn't have it.

The rumours are that the dev kits have heating issues, the PC based ones were fine but its well known in dev circles about the problem.

The ESRAM takes up loads of space on the chip and is making it run really hot, coupled with a small form factor and cheap cooling its causing problems.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:39

Microsoft has lost focus, and it seem that nothing is actually coming out, "finished." Everything is lacking and needs months or years of fine tuning just to be a good complete product.

Except the Server and Server Applications divisions. Maybe breaking up MS isn't such a bad idea. Something is definitely wrong. I'd have to say based on Surface, WP8, and Modern UI, I'm more inclined to believe the rumors than not. And releasing a console AND a set top box, no way they can get it right out of the gate.

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Lost focus... not sure what you base that opinion on, it seems rather like they're more focused than ever.

Mart talked about another rumor that mentioned Devs were seeing heat issues with Durango. That's what I was referring to. And just because Microsoft made a hardware design mistake last generation, doesn't necessarily mean they WON'T make it again.


I think it would be a fairly safe bet to say that the next xbox will have heating and heat/cool cycles tested far beyond what is normal, and the products won't have any issues with heat

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:39

Lost focus... not sure what you base that opinion on, it seems rather like they're more focused than ever.

They have lost focus, their "vision" is more about the living room and home entertainment, this is my opinion but I personally think they expected Sony to go the same route and focus more on the settop box experience but Sony did a 180 and went more games focused which is why I think there are so many negative rumours, they weren't prepared and are scrambling to catch up now.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:40

Whereas someone like you who has no credibility are suddenly a master on the subject

Wow...

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:40

what are those lists supposed to show.


That this isn't true

and most JRPG's that's released internationally and not japan only have been multiplatform.


It's incredibly frustrating when you simply do not do your own research, or ignore other people's when they've kindly shown you

PS3 JRPGs that are exclusive (either released or confirmed releasing soon):

3D Dot Game Heroes
Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel
Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Dusk
Atelier Meruru: The Apprentice of Arland
Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland
Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland
Cross Edge
Demons Souls
Disgaea 3
Disgaea 4
Folklore
Final Fantasy Versus
Final Fantasy 10 HD
Final Fantasy 10-2 HD
Hyperdimension Neptunia
Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2
Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory
Kingdom Hearts 1.5 Remix
Last Rebellion
Legasista
Mugen Souls
Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
Okami HD
Record of Agarest War 2
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny
Tales of Graces F
Tales of Xillia
Tales of Xillia 2
The Witch and the Hundred Knights
Trinity Universe
Trinity Souls of Zill O'll
Valkyria Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles 2
Way of The Samurai 3
Way of The Samurai 4
Yakuza 3
Yakuza 4
Yakuza 5
Yakuza Dead Souls

360 exclusive JRPGs:

Blue Dragon
Infinite Undiscovery
Lost Odyssey
Magna Carta 2
The Last Remnant


Multiplatform between PS3 and 360:

Dark Souls
Dragons Dogma
Eternal Sonata
Enchanted Arms
FF 13
FF 13-2
Nier
Record of Agarest War
Record of Agarest War Zero
Resonance of Fate
Star Ocean 4
Tales of Vesperia

Exclusive 360 JRPGs died a long time ago, there are multiplatform, but the PS3 has the most exclusive JRPGs.

The above only contains retail games, and I have not trawled through the Japanese only JRPGs which there are a fair few of. Most do get translations.

Everyone feel free to add to the lists, although I think my point has been made, a title or two missing here or there. There is simply genuinely absolutely no way you can argue against this in the case of JRPGs. I think you'll also find the 360 doesn't sell in Japan for this exact case.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 13:42

Lost focus... not sure what you base that opinion on, it seems rather like they're more focused than ever.


The fact that nothing is releasing with polish/finish, outside of the Server/Server App arena. I seems as though MS spends more time finishing a product these days after it is RTM as they do before it is RTM. When product ship needing immediate life support, something is fundamentally wrong. The modus operandi of ship it now, fix it later has to end IMO.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 14:06

Would be pretty bad for microsoft is this is true. To not only have pretty much no exclusives for the 360 this year, but then be behind on their next-gen launch titles.


Also, don't ya just love how some people around here get all upset and go into attack mode or instantly disregard something just because it's not praise for microsoft?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 14:14

That this isn't true



It's incredibly frustrating when you simply do not do your own research, or ignore other people's when they've kindly shown you

PS3 JRPGs that are exclusive (either released or confirmed releasing soon):

3D Dot Game Heroes
Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel
Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Dusk
Atelier Meruru: The Apprentice of Arland
Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland
Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland
Cross Edge
Demons Souls
Disgaea 3
Disgaea 4
Folklore
Final Fantasy Versus
Final Fantasy 10 HD
Final Fantasy 10-2 HD
Hyperdimension Neptunia
Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2
Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory
Kingdom Hearts 1.5 Remix
Last Rebellion
Legasista
Mugen Souls
Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
Okami HD
Record of Agarest War 2
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny
Tales of Graces F
Tales of Xillia
Tales of Xillia 2
The Witch and the Hundred Knights
Trinity Universe
Trinity Souls of Zill O'll
Valkyria Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles 2
Way of The Samurai 3
Way of The Samurai 4
Yakuza 3
Yakuza 4
Yakuza 5
Yakuza Dead Souls

360 exclusive JRPGs:

Blue Dragon
Infinite Undiscovery
Lost Odyssey
Magna Carta 2
The Last Remnant


Multiplatform between PS3 and 360:

Dark Souls
Dragons Dogma
Eternal Sonata
Enchanted Arms
FF 13
FF 13-2
Nier
Record of Agarest War
Record of Agarest War Zero
Resonance of Fate
Star Ocean 4
Tales of Vesperia

Exclusive 360 JRPGs died a long time ago, there are multiplatform, but the PS3 has the most exclusive JRPGs.

The above only contains retail games, and I have not trawled through the Japanese only JRPGs which there are a fair few of. Most do get translations.

Everyone feel free to add to the lists, although I think my point has been made, a title or two missing here or there. There is simply genuinely absolutely no way you can argue against this in the case of JRPGs. I think you'll also find the 360 doesn't sell in Japan for this exact case.


Ryu ga Gotoku 5: Yume Kanaeshi Mono (, also known as Yakuza 5, is a 2012 open world action-adventure video game



Didn't bother to trawl all through it, but yeah, that seems like a credible list...

Would be pretty bad for microsoft is this is true. To not only have pretty much no exclusives for the 360 this year, but then be behind on their next-gen launch titles.


Also, don't ya just love how some people around here get all upset and go into attack mode or instantly disregard something just because it's not praise for microsoft?


Kind of like how some people go all out post all the negative rumors , pretend anything else doesn't exist, and blab on about the negative rumors in every xbox thread you mean ?

Or did you have one of those magical coins with only one side ?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 14:19

I figure we'll have to wait and see, rumors are just rumors till they either become fact or end up forgotten. I think MS pushed the reveal date back because of licensing related hold ups and not hardware or games.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 14:23

Ryu ga Gotoku 5: Yume Kanaeshi Mono (, also known as Yakuza 5, is a 2012 open world action-adventure video game



Didn't bother to trawl all through it, but yeah, that seems like a credible list...


You've never seen or played Yakuza? While not a conventional JPRG, it fits easily into the category due to all the sidequests, dating sim, mini-games, loot, ect. Take out all the Yakuza games if you want, there's still a load of strictly conventional JRPGs up there.

I actually cannot believe you simply wrote my list off like that. HawkMan, you're a lost cause for rationality on this board.