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#16 OctoPussy

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:02

HTC also went with WP in their phone portfolio hows that working out for them?

If you look at profitable companies in phone business (Apple, Samsung), they focus. They don't try to be jack of all trades. Sure, Samsung released an ATIV phone, but it never bother to update it or market it. The focus is Android and Galaxy product line.
For HTC, they try to be jack of all trades, there hardware is not as compelling and they don't have focus. The results are there to see.
Nokia chose a competing emerging platform with deep enough pockets to ride out the initial hiccups to root a platoform. Considering how deep rooted consumer alliances lies in the mobile world, and how it has been fashionable for some time to be owner of Iphone or Galaxy, i think Nokia did a fabulous job of atleast getting people to start noticing and talking about Lumia's. The numbers would start showing up as the platform matures. The shareholders want the results early and want it fast, which unfortunately would not happen in today's competitive marketplace. They would need to have patience. I for one am sure Elop is betting on the right things.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:04

If you look at profitable companies in phone business (Apple, Samsung), they focus. They don't try to be jack of all trades. Sure, Samsung released an ATIV phone, but it never bother to update it or market it. The focus is Android and Galaxy product line.
For HTC, they try to be jack of all trades, there hardware is not compelling and they don't have focus. The results are there to see.
Nokia chose a competing emerging platform. Considering how deep rooted consumer alliances lies in the mobile world, and how it has been fashionable for some time to be owner of Iphone or Galaxy, i think Nokia did a fabulous job of atleast people noticing and talking about Lumia's. The numbers would start showing up as the platform matures. The shareholders want the results early and want it fast, which unfortunately would not happen in today's competitive marketplace. They would need to have patience. I for one am sure Elop is betting on the right things.


I agree with you ork, my point was that other OEM's have tried and just have not seen much success either. Yet...

#18 compl3x

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:44

From the title, I thought some crazy religious shareholder got up in a conference and started screaming "You're going to hell, Elop!" à la Westboro Baptist Church. lol.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:24

If you look at profitable companies in phone business (Apple, Samsung), they focus. They don't try to be jack of all trades.


Samsung is focusing on what's currently working best for them but they didn't just go and place all their bets on a single option. They aren't only selling Android and WP devices but also Bada, which apparently has been doing quite nicely in some areas as a low end range device.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:38

What were their options? Go with Android?


I was going to buy a Lumia 920 when they first came out. Due to lack of availability, and dealers who DID have them refusing to discount the price I ended up not buying one.
Microsoft's "Metro everywhere" and lack of apps on either the phone or PC platform has totally turned me off anything Windows 8.

If I was going to buy a new phone today it'd be a Samsung S4.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:41

Considering that they made a nice profit last quarter (something like $585 million), I'd say pretty good.

What were their options? Go with Android? How's that working out for HTC? Or the other 600 android OEMs that are fighting for the scraps Samsung leaves behind?


Have to say this is really a good point actually. At least by going with Windows Phone, which many other manufacturers haven't really put any real effort into (aside perhaps from HTC) Nokia had a good chance to gain a very decent foothold if Windows Phone adoption went up. I guess it could still happen - however it feels that Windows Phone development seems a little slow so is perhaps hampering it? Nokia are certainly putting out nice handsets and bringing out new designs quite frequently so I feel they're doing their part.. and as you say if they'd gone Android, they would have been entering a very saturated, competitive market.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:00

With Google and Apple rolling their own hardware, Microsoft was the only partnership that would be both stable and cooperative, rather than competitive.

Nokia needs a platform where it can grab a huge slice of a pie that has a foreseeable chance to grow bigger. The Google pie is already about as big as it can get, and the slices get smaller every time some new MeToo company decides to launch an Android phone.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:42

From the title, I thought some crazy religious shareholder got up in a conference and started screaming "You're going to hell, Elop!" à la Westboro Baptist Church. lol.

Me too, the guy was just using a metaphor... my opinion of theregister is going downhil lol

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:53

Hey hows that Windows Phone doing for ya?


I'm going to counter these stupid "WP is screwing OEMs up" arguments by presenting to you a reverse of what you are saying- which may I add actually works in WPs favour. The biggest phone manufacturer is Samsung and they use Windows Phone. Boom- I think we can safely say they are rolling in the cash.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:59

You know it is all speculation, I am sure Nokia could have ripped into Samsung if they also had Android, Nokia's hardware is leaps and bounds better than Samsung if you ask me.

In what ways does Nokia beats Samsung except in the camera?
If you are going to say Samsung using plastic and therefore its build quality sucks, I don't think it takes a genius to switch from plastic to other form of materials.
In all other aspect Samsung does very good in it.
Even if Windows Phone is successful, Samsung could jump from Android to WP anyway and Nokia will have a rival anyway...

#26 StandingInAlley

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:08

In what ways does Nokia beats Samsung except in the camera?
If you are going to say Samsung using plastic and therefore its build quality sucks, I don't think it takes a genius to switch from plastic to other form of materials.
In all other aspect Samsung does very good in it.
Even if Windows Phone is successful, Samsung could jump from Android to WP anyway and Nokia will have a rival anyway...


TouchWiz :rolleyes:

#27 tanjiajun_34

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:12

TouchWiz :rolleyes:

I am using a Nexus 4. Stock Google Android. Even if I want Toucwzi, I cannot have it. However for Touchwiz devices, they can have Touchwiz if they like. If they don't they can choose to change to CyanogenMod or MIUI or another launcher if they refuse to root.

Also they have some of the additional features such as Multiview.

#28 the better twin

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:17

Having your stock plunge to 3 dollars a share is not a thing stock holders would enjoy. I am sure if you held stock in Nokia you would not be happy too.

That is the risk you take with shares. My investment in Nokia is actually making me money at the moment.

#29 ichi

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:53

The biggest phone manufacturer is Samsung and they use Windows Phone.


And Bada. And Tizen.

#30 HawkMan

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:01

I still think Nokia should have stuck with Meego. At $3 dollars a share that is just a shame. I have had so many Nokia phones in my life but there is no way I will ever touch a Windows Phone in it's current form. I miss Windows Mobile.... Oh well guess I am just old fashioned


According to their own head developer of Meego, they wouldn't have a stable version of Meego ready to launch untill 2015. with the possibility of a basic stripped version late 2013.

How would this have helped them, how would an even more niche OS have helped them at all.

as for Android. that wouldn't have helped them either, Their loss of market share isn't WP, it's their feature phones, they would have lost them anyway, and likely their android selection would have sold even less, especially since Samsung has bought the phone and especially the android market.

And Bada. And Tizen.


Bada is dead, and Tizen is taking it's niche spot.



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