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#31 dr_crabman

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:13

Why even post your comment because it is obvious your a fanboy.


And you sound like a hater. Evens out nicely. ;)

Anyway, I like my 620 and WPs marketshare is now climbing constantly. Sure, little by little but I think the worst is behind them and hope they continue in this fashion.


#32 liju

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:18

To all saying Nokia should've gone Android, they tried but couldn't come to terms with Google. What many people forget is Nokia isn't some company that just makes hardware. They've an entire ecosystem of services of which the most important is Mapping,Location & Commerce. They're the biggest mapping company in the world and wanted their location assets to be default services on its devices but that wasn't acceptable for Google. The other option would be to fork but then they will lag behind other OHA companies as those will've access to latest code while they won't.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:47

It's interesting to see how the smartphone market isn't really a battle of platforms (iOS vs Android vs Windows Phone), but very much a battle of manufacturers. Because Apple is the soul supplier of iOS devices it will always be the case there, but I didn't expect the same thing to happen with Android and Windows Phone.

I kinda wonder what would happen to Android when Samsung decides to launch their own OS. Aren't they working on that? Of course there's no saying whether Samsung will remain on top within the Android landscape, just look at what happened to HTC.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:11

Bada is dead, and Tizen is taking it's niche spot.


Which was my point regarding the post I was replying to.

#35 georgevella

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:53

Are these the same shareholders that back in 2006 allowed Nokia management to drop their futuristic ("five years ahead" of it's time link) smartphone ideas a couple of months before the iPhone was released?

#36 +techbeck

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:54

Go with Android? How's that working out for HTC?


Android is not HTCs problem. Its lack of support for devices soon after launch, the number of different models produced, and the design of their phones. LG and Huawei are both doing well with Android and have posted profits.. They would have the same issue if they went WP.

#37 Dot Matrix

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:07

Why even post your comment because it is obvious your a fanboy. The point of this article is the stock of Nokia sucks and they are diversified in one platform only. Having your stock plunge to 3 dollars a share is not a thing stock holders would enjoy. I am sure if you held stock in Nokia you would not be happy too.


So? Apple is one platform only too. Nokia is on the road to recovery, and they couldn't have done it without Windows Phone. I love my Lumia, and I think it's the best hardware I've owned to date. I'll definitely be keeping with Nokia hardware in the future.

EDIT: I just noticed the source is The Register. FFS, there's a minute of my life wasted.

#38 LaP

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 14:15

If you look at profitable companies in phone business (Apple, Samsung), they focus. They don't try to be jack of all trades. Sure, Samsung released an ATIV phone, but it never bother to update it or market it. The focus is Android and Galaxy product line.
For HTC, they try to be jack of all trades, there hardware is not as compelling and they don't have focus. The results are there to see.
Nokia chose a competing emerging platform with deep enough pockets to ride out the initial hiccups to root a platoform. Considering how deep rooted consumer alliances lies in the mobile world, and how it has been fashionable for some time to be owner of Iphone or Galaxy, i think Nokia did a fabulous job of atleast getting people to start noticing and talking about Lumia's. The numbers would start showing up as the platform matures. The shareholders want the results early and want it fast, which unfortunately would not happen in today's competitive marketplace. They would need to have patience. I for one am sure Elop is betting on the right things.


It's perfectly logical to focus on one platform after a while. This said i still think that Nokia, like other companies, should have tried both Android and WP platform and decide after which one it should focus on. Putting all your eggs in the same basket from the get go is rarely a good idea. It might works in the long run but i still think it was a bad decision (unless the infamous money hat was involved which would not surprise me at all).

#39 zeke009

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 16:07

It's perfectly logical to focus on one platform after a while. This said i still think that Nokia, like other companies, should have tried both Android and WP platform and decide after which one it should focus on. Putting all your eggs in the same basket from the get go is rarely a good idea. It might works in the long run but i still think it was a bad decision (unless the infamous money hat was involved which would not surprise me at all).

liju made a great point about Nokia's mapping services. In order to go Android they may have to leave them behind for Google Maps.

#40 matt4pack

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:04

Windows Phone fans are just spreading so much misinformation in this thread.

- MeeGo wasn't going to take until 2015 to be ready. They actually shipped a phone with it.
- Nokia did not make a profit last quarter. Why do you think the shareholders are so angry?
- Nokia is in far more trouble then Blackberry. They actually reported a profit last quarter, have no debt, their own platform, and a device management service that supports iOS and Android.

Elop has done nothing but hurt Nokia by using that fisher price os and turned them into a patent troll.

#41 ichi

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:09

liju made a great point about Nokia's mapping services. In order to go Android they may have to leave them behind for Google Maps.


Not really, they could have either shipped with both or only with their own services (and no GApps) while still being able to bundle the Google Play store.

#42 M_Lyons10

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:10

Wow. This guy clearly has his head on straight... LOL

#43 Riva

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:12

Nokia can make a winning phone against any platform. Having said that the only alternative is Android and lets see where HTC is standing after flooding the market with Android handsets. HTCs problem is that they didn't pay enough attention to the WP market until Nokia proved the world that it is the OEMs who are to make a fantastic handset and that the OS can take a back seat.
Moreover, the company was just saved from administration and turned nay to yay so he should really get on his knees in front of Elop :p

#44 airedwin

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:15

I'd like to know who some of these shareholders are, that think they can run a company better than a CEO. They are so damn greedy it's disgusting. If I were Elop I'd just tell them if they like android so much, then go ahead and invest in those other companies and see how they do. It's the same greedy shareholders that are calling for Ballmer's job, even though quarter after quarter Microsoft is turning billions of dollars in profit. Do these shareholders think that is not enough? Ridiculous.

#45 airedwin

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:20

Windows Phone fans are just spreading so much misinformation in this thread.

- MeeGo wasn't going to take until 2015 to be ready. They actually shipped a phone with it.
- Nokia did not make a profit last quarter. Why do you think the shareholders are so angry?
- Nokia is in far more trouble then Blackberry. They actually reported a profit last quarter, have no debt, their own platform, and a device management service that supports iOS and Android.

Elop has done nothing but hurt Nokia by using that fisher price os and turned them into a patent troll.


Nokia was losing much more money quarter after quarter before Elop went to Windows Phone.
Do you even know what a patent troll is? Nokia actually has implemented software and devices that use their patents. A patent troll has a patent and no implementation only for the sake of litigation.