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#46 Riva

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:32

Nokia was losing much more money quarter after quarter before Elop went to Windows Phone.
Do you even know what a patent troll is? Nokia actually has implemented software and devices that use their patents. A patent troll has a patent and no implementation only for the sake of litigation.


Not to mention they got 1bn USD to switch to that platform exclusively.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:41

They are so damn greedy it's disgusting.


Well, they are not investing just for the lulz, are they.

#48 Yusuf M.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 20:45

To all saying Nokia should've gone Android, they tried but couldn't come to terms with Google. What many people forget is Nokia isn't some company that just makes hardware. They've an entire ecosystem of services of which the most important is Mapping,Location & Commerce. They're the biggest mapping company in the world and wanted their location assets to be default services on its devices but that wasn't acceptable for Google. The other option would be to fork but then they will lag behind other OHA companies as those will've access to latest code while they won't.

I figured that would be a deal-breaker for both companies. I'm glad Nokia went with Windows Phone because the OS is really good. Nokia's HERE apps makes it better. I use HERE Maps/Transit/Drive Beta a lot because of how well it works.

Windows Phone fanboys are just becoming delusional now. There is so much misinformation in this thread from them that they truely seem to believe.

- MeeGo wasn't going to take until 2015 to be ready. They actually shipped a phone with it.
- Nokia did not make a profit last quarter. Why do you think the shareholders are so angry?
- Acting like Blackberry is in more trouble then Nokia. They actually reported a profit last quarter, have no debt, and their own platform.

Elop has done nothing but hurt Nokia by using that fisher price boring os and turned them into a patent troll.

No one is being delusional, fanboy or otherwise.

To address your points:
  • Consider this tweet from the "Director of Applications, MeeGo at Nokia": As far as we know, MeeGo is dead until 2015.
  • You're right. They didn't make a profit but according to their Q4 2012 results, they did ($585.7M). And they sold more Lumia devices in Q1 2013 than Q4 2012 (5.6M vs. 4.4M which is a 27% increase). And let's not ignore the $1B+ they got from Microsoft for switching to Windows Phone in the first place.
  • Overall, BlackBerry has been, and may still be, in a worse position than Nokia. It took them a long time to release BB10 and it still hasn't made a large impact on the market. The benefits of moving forward with Windows Phone greatly outweighed the benefits of switching to Android. Not only does Nokia have Microsoft's support, they have an OS that isn't Android. HTC is right behind Samsung and they're not doing well.
What Elop has done, and what you're conveniently ignoring, has helped Nokia. They'd be in a worse position if they switched to Android.

Anyway, are you trying to be a troll? There's nothing "Fisher Price" about Windows Phone.

#49 matt4pack

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 21:27

How is it dead until 2015 when they released a product with it which the great one elop then decided to shelve?

http://www.nokia.com...ducts/phone/n9/

Sailfish is about to be released which is based on MeeGo as well.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Sailfish_OS

Whatever he put in all the chips on Windows Phone so we'll see what happens.

#50 vcfan

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 21:47

everyone knows windows phone is beginning to do some damage.breaking the double digit barrier is the hardest thing to do,and once that is done,things will fall into place. And just because nokia didn't make a profit last quarter means absolutely squat. This was mostly caused by the dumbphone collapse that happened,which is irrelevant to the future. they could have laid off a bunch of peope,or sold some more of their assets and reported a profit, but they didn't. they are planting the seeds for the future,and it is working. last quarter they sold 5.6 million lumias. that's with production inssues with some of their phones like the 920. and when production returned to running smoothly, the 920 quickly shot up as the most popular windows phone. in a month after the 520 and 720 were released. the 520 already grabbed a nice chunk of wp marketshare. imagine what happens when all the channels are filled with all these nokia phone models? next quarter apple is expected to sell 27 million iphones. I would take a guess that nokia will sell close to 8 or 9 million,and another 1-2 million from the other oems. WP is really getting close,and the target WP is going after is iphone. if they pass that, the floodgates will open. that's exactly what happened with android. same damn story. started growing slowly,kept gaining share here and there. and once it passed iphone, it just snowballed from there.

#51 HawkMan

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 21:59

Windows Phone fans are just spreading so much misinformation in this thread.

- MeeGo wasn't going to take until 2015 to be ready. They actually shipped a phone with it.


actually, no they didn't. They shipped HArmattan, it was also unfinished and buggy.

- Nokia did not make a profit last quarter. Why do you think the shareholders are so angry?


errr. read up on the facts and don't make up your own perhaps.

- Nokia is in far more trouble then Blackberry. They actually reported a profit last quarter, have no debt, their own platform, and a device management service that supports iOS and Android.


So you're saying the copany that's making profits (yes that's Nokia) growing in their smart phone share, still owns all the developing markets with their features phones is doing worse than the company that's losing market share constantly. failed hard on their pad experiment, an their new phones aren't selling at all. and the one market they did have, the business market is leaving them behind.

good logic...

yes, windows phone fans are the ones spreading mis-information in this thread :rolleyes:

Elop has done nothing but hurt Nokia by using that fisher price os and turned them into a patent troll.


good thing you're not trolling or anything... btw, do you know what a board is, as in the group of people that hires the CEO and actually runs the company, the people that hired Elop, with the PRE-defined mission to switch the company to Windows Phone.

#52 illegaloperation

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 22:22

My response is: are your serious?

Samsung is squeezing other Anndroid OEMs out of the market. Just ask HTC.

Sure, there are some profitable Chinese companies that make Android devices (ie. Huawei and ZTE ), but they are subsidized by the Chinese government.

Nokia didn't go with MeeGo because it doesn't have enough money to go alone. People are not going to come to a platform that doesn't have many popular apps.

Microsoft has been helping developers (often financially) port apps to the Windows Phone platform.

#53 matt4pack

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 22:23

actually, no they didn't. They shipped HArmattan, it was also unfinished and buggy.


Wait so you honestly call the n9 unfinished and buggy when they ended up switching to Windows Phone 7 which turned into abandonware and was based on WindowsCE that only supported one core. You guys are something.

http://www.nokia.com...ducts/phone/n9/

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 22:30

Wait so you honestly call the n9 unfinished and buggy when they ended up switching to Windows Phone 7 which turned into abandonware and was based on WindowsCE that only supported one core. You guys are something.

http://www.nokia.com...ducts/phone/n9/


windows phone 7 was just recently upgraded to 7.5, and still getting smaller updates, thats longer support than most android handsets.

and yes, like most reviewers and people who actually used it, I call the N9 unfinished and buggy. good ideas, terrible execution. And as the lead developer himself said in an interview, they just couldn't finish MeeGo, to many bugs, and every time they fixed one, 10 new showed up. there was no reasonable time frame for it.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 22:31

Wait so you honestly call the n9 unfinished and buggy when they ended up switching to Windows Phone 7 which turned into abandonware. You guys are something.

http://www.nokia.com...ducts/phone/n9/


I guess Gingerbread must be abandonware.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 22:39

Wait so you honestly call the n9 unfinished and buggy when they ended up switching to Windows Phone 7 which turned into abandonware and was based on WindowsCE that only supported one core. You guys are something.

http://www.nokia.com...ducts/phone/n9/


Your point? Are you implying that WP7 was buggy? So what if it was based on Windows CE? So what if it only supported one core?

Abandonware? WP7 has received two additional updates after the release of WP7.8. The last update was only about a month and a half ago.

#57 vcfan

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 23:16

Wait so you honestly call the n9 unfinished and buggy when they ended up switching to Windows Phone 7 which turned into abandonware and was based on WindowsCE that only supported one core. You guys are something.

http://www.nokia.com...ducts/phone/n9/


wait...what? that makes absolutely no sense. what does him saying the n9 is unfinished and buggy have anything to do with what wp7 is based on, or how much support it has? youre out to lunch.

#58 matt4pack

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 23:25

I really think MeeGo would have turned the ship around there. It needed a little more polish but with the time wasted on Windows Phone 7 why couldn't they have continued on it? The only Windows Phone I've seen in public was an HTC anyway so they aren't unique by using Windows Phone. Just look at the response it got. This is why the shareholders are so ****ed.

The Nokia N9 was announced at Nokia's Connections event in Singapore, June 2011. The reception for the device has been very positive, citing the MeeGo v1.2 Harmattan UI, pseudo-buttonless design, polycarbonate unibody construction and its NFC capabilities. Still, many reviewers did not recommend to buy the N9 only because of Nokia's earlier decision to drop MeeGo for Windows Phone for future smartphones — often questioning this decision at the same time. Engadget's editor Vlad Savov said in June 2011 that "it's a terrific phone that's got me legitimately excited to use it, but its future is clouded by a parent that's investing its time and money into building up a whole other OS."[35] In a later review, Engadget writes: "Love at first sight — this is possibly the most beautiful phone ever made," and "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan is such a breath of fresh air it will leave you gasping — that is, until you remember that you're dealing with a dead man walking."[2] In a review for Ars Technica, Ryan Paul writes: "The N9 is an impressively engineered device that is matched with a sophisticated touch-oriented interface and a powerful software stack with open source underpinnings."[36] The Verge (website) writes: "The Nokia N9 is, without doubt, one of the most fascinating phones of the last few years."[37]
The German Der Spiegel titles "this could have been Nokia's winner",[38] and the German magazine Stern describes it as one of the best devices ever made by Nokia.[39]
Sales [edit]

The Nokia N9 has not been directly released in most of the largest smartphone markets such as the USA, Canada, UK, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, and others. Nokia did not disclose the number of sales for the N9.[40] According to some unofficial estimates, it might have sold better than the two initially released Lumia devices in the last quarter of 2011, rising further doubts about Nokia's strategy to drop MeeGo in favour of Windows Phone


#59 matt4pack

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 23:30

wait...what? that makes absolutely no sense. what does him saying the n9 is unfinished and buggy have anything to do with what wp7 is based on, or how much support it has? youre out to lunch.


Because WP7 was ancient tech while Meego was modern. You know like it actually supported multiple-cores. I would say an OS that can't support multiple cores is unfinished instead of the one that does but just need a little polish.

#60 vcfan

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 23:41

Because WP7 was ancient tech while Meego was modern. You know like it actually supported multiple-cores. I would say an OS that can't support multiple cores is unfinished instead of the one that does but just need a little polish.


just because the kernel doesn't support a certain feature doesn't mean its unfinished. it just means it doesn't support that feature. being buggy and unfinished is a totally different matter. it doesn't matter anyways how many cores it supported or how modern you seem to think it is, meego was choppy and ugly. just another grid of icons and crappy UI controls. just what we need,more of the same garbage that's out there. and there was poor app support anyways.