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#46 +techbeck

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 18:40

You mean U.S. I knew from the title that this would be in that backwards place.


There are stupid people everywhere...not just the US like many non US citizens like to comment in threads like this.

Yes it is move with it. No reason to have males to be cultured to become violent aggressive and venerating weapons.


I, and all my friends, played like this growing up. None of us are in trouble with the law and have good jobs and are upstanding citizens. Its not things like this that make people violent.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 23:03

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:45

Sure you have. You read your own posts on neowin don't you?


Care to point to anything specific, troll?

You can back that claim up yes ?


Prove a negative? I'll get right on it.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 14:45

Prove a negative? I'll get right on it.


Ah yes that old chestnut - I've made a claim, but have a wonderful get out clause in that its about something I cant prove so I have no responsibility whatsoever. I can then use this get out clause to act smug around those that attempt to see "behind the curtain" so to speak and rally support from all the other supposed "thinkers".

The laughable thing is, and it is laughable, that people can make comments such as "There is no grand conspiracy" on anything really and that is practically the end of it.

No further discussion needed as though the very thought of conspiracy is almost impossible and should be immediately dismissed so we can all get back to whatever else we were doing. No attempt to even look into it or try and see if a conspiracy could indeed be taking place - but no, instant dismissal gets the job done with a "Nothing to see here people".

As an example, take the relatively recent LIBOR scandal in which a lot of international banking institutions were found to be conspiring to fix lending rates amongst themselves (with a report in the Financial Times stating that manipulation of this had been happening for at least over 20 years).

Now if say in 1998 someone suspected that this was taking place, how many people would have immediately jumped up with a "There is no grand conspiracy" response, almost as if they had been conditioned to react that way? I'm guessing quite a large number, and no doubt are the same people or types of people today who dismiss talk of conspiracies in other sectors as well - and expect that dismissal to be a satisfactory answer to someone's or some group of peoples' suspicions about the world we live in and its institutions and members.

As an exercise to the reader, take any revealed conspiracy from the past 50 years and think how you would have felt if someone had told you "there may be more to this" at the time before the big reveal came - same principles apply.

Now of course there is an argument that can be made that not everything is a conspiracy - things sometimes can just happen without anyone or a group of people acting as a guiding hand - but can you say this is definitely true in all cases ? Should not at least a cursory investigation take place to examine the merits of whether a conspiracy is taking place or not before being immediately written off ?

Or must we all take the view point that "Conspiracies never happen" except when shown years later that that is false and have been happening all along. No doubt at some point I'll be hit with the Occam's Razor notion as well - which a lot of the people mentioned in the opening of this post like to use as well - again to stifle any sort of debate.

The simplest theory - the one with the least assumptions may not always be the correct answer. Again you are dealing with humans and human systems which we know from daily experience to be overly complex - eg the banking system, the systems of government, multiple levels of bureaucracy - how can you choose a "theory" which is the most simple to explain the inner workings of complex systems - this is how conspiracies can take place - they rely on the masses to accept a simple answer without ever doing the digging to find out if this simple answer is a cover for something deeper.

It really does grind my gears in the worst way when I hear someone whether in person or in an Internet debate on message boards / forums say something like "Which is more likely ... some simple reason for an outcome, or a deep conspiracy involving multiple government departments, institutions and companies across a single city / country / continent to make that outcome happen" without ever considering that in some cases yes the complex answer is the correct one, but using the notion of "well the first one has the least assumptions it must therefore be right" every time.

If the people of this planet, regardless of where in the world they are from, would stop accepting the bull***t that is foisted upon them every day by media outlets, governments, "the great and the good" and always choosing the simple answers and explanations for outcomes and situations we could start to have a much better world for everyone.

We know that politicians are corrupt, we know that media organizations hide and distort the truth and have no problems lying to their citizens (and I am talking about media companies on all points of the compass), we know bankers are thieving parasites that have no problems feathering their own nests at the expense of people being thrown out of their homes. We know that at the end of the day certain personality types are attracted to certain positions and a greater than average number of people that run corporations and that are in positions of power show the same traits as psychopaths who have no remorse and would do whatever it takes to further their own goals - whatever they might be.

But as soon as suggestions are made that these same people use their connections and resources to collude in conspiracies that is immediately rejected ? Someone is being rather dishonest if they don't take into account the full range of human traits, and stop approaching the situation from a "well I wouldn't do that, so therefore it cant happen" position.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 15:43

As much as I'd love to read that wall of text, I'm not going to. I scanned it and your point seems to be "conspiracies can totally happen". I never suggested they can't and/or don't happen. I was trying to decipher a comment made in this thread.

Someone said:


get them while they're young... :rolleyes: This is just the beginning



I wanted to know what it is the "beginning of". Stupid teachers/admin overreacting to kids playing with imagery guns is just that: stupid. Not an Obama, left wing, socialist plot take your guns. Or an attempt at re-education. Or anything else of the sort.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 15:58

As much as I'd love to read that wall of text, I'm not going to. I scanned it and your point seems to be "conspiracies can totally happen". I never suggested they can't and/or don't happen. I was trying to decipher a comment made in this thread.

I wanted to know what it is the "beginning of". Stupid teachers/admin overreacting to kids playing with imagery guns is just that: stupid. Not an Obama, left wing, socialist plot take your guns. Or an attempt at re-education. Or anything else of the sort.


Ok, I'll cut my wall of text down to something more readable then:

What is your thought process to come to this conclusion - how are you so sure you are correct ?
Why cant it be something else of that sort, how can it be so easily dismissed without further thought or investigation ?
Is it just a feeling, or are you working with something more tangible - i.e. you have the inside track to the inner workings of educational and government policy ?

That should get around your "I cant prove a negative" response.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 16:06

This is ridiculous. How could you punish a kid for being a kid? A simple "knock it off, please" would have sufficed.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 16:18

No not really I want it to be its own person and understand my mistakes. Its not my child it would be the child I created its not my property to mould If I had one. As for soldiers a lot of reason but more so with the idea that no solider wants war travialised


I hope you don't have any children until you fully understand parenthood. Who calls their child "it", or say the child they created is not theirs? Your child is yours and your property until they are 18.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 16:41

I hope you don't have any children until you fully understand parenthood. Who calls their child "it", or say the child they created is not theirs? Your child is yours and your property until they are 18.


Children are NOT your property. You're responsible for them, but you do not own them. You clearly don't have any kids, or if you do, you're a dreadful parent to have that kind of attitude.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 17:00

she said... Kids don't think about 'Cowboys and Indians' anymore, they think about drive-by shootings and murders and everything they see on television news every day."


Oh my freaking goodness.

This is insane and ignorant. We, as adults choose to allow our children to be coddled while bombarding them with the world's crap. When I grew up, there were world conflicts, cold wars, people killing each other downtown, and other assorted nasty stuff, yet I survived, and STILL played cops and robbers and gasp, soldiers.

I wish for once, adults would stop trying to foist their adult ridden morals and viewpoints on children... for heaven's sake, they are bloody kids and are meant to grow up and have 'fun' while doing it... it's called life. Stop trying to make ridgid rules that lack common sense, and stop breeding a tattle-tale world, where you are encouraged to turn little kids in for pencil pointing.

People... I dislike them.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 17:28

This is ridiculous. How could you punish a kid for being a kid? A simple "knock it off, please" would have sufficed.


THIS!!

These cookie cutter 'Zero Tolerance' rules, and their screwball interpretations, are straight out of PC Hell and need to stop. Their sole purpose is to relieve school staff from making individualized tough decisions and takeing responsibility for them. They can then just point to the discipline cookbook and say "it's school Zero Tolerance policy." Chickens**ts.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 18:00

No not really I want it to be its own person and understand my mistakes. Its not my child it would be the child I created its not my property to mould If I had one. As for soldiers a lot of reason but more so with the idea that no solider wants war travialised

That's just sad but then school is for leaning not socialising but id allow it.


kids are going to be cold jacked up criminals with a parent who treats children as equal to a pet rat.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 18:39

Wonder what that teacher would have done seeing us back in the day with our cardboard cut-out weapons recreating yesterday's Ninja Turtles episode.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 19:30

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years.
No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago
lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple , sound financial policies (don't spend more
than you earn)
and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but
overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a
schoolmate;
teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student.
Only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job
that they
themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent
to administer sun-lotion
or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student
became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a
burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue
you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. Shejn
spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in Death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his
wife, Discretion,
by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
I know my rights
I want it now
Someone else is to blame
I'm a Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
If you still remember him, pass this on. If not join the majority and do
nothing.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 19:47

More thought crimes, like that Pop-Tart gun. Todays America is like 1984 and Idiocracy got together and had a baby.