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i have a feeling this has more to do with the gun manufactures losing money than it does with the government's concern over someone shooting someone else....

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Read about the purpose of the 2nd amendment. I'll give you a hint, it's not for hunting deer.

hahahahaha it's laughable that you're under any delusion that a rag tag militia can go up against the US army if only you had a couple of puny guns. if your guns are so essential to your rights, then why is the US one of the most backward and least free in the western world?

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Who cares about the second amendment. This printed gun is a major problem overall, that news articles and people here seem to not understand or even mention.

Problems with a 3D gun that is home made.

1. Will bankrupt gun manufacturers and put 1000's of people on unemployment.

2. No way to trace or track the weapon. Build it, kill someone, melt it... within hours.

3. EVERYONE HAS ACCESS to a gun now. I no longer have to be a US citizen to obtain a gun legally. Any Terrorist, Murderer, Mafioso, etc no longer needs to go through the trouble of obtaining an illegal weapon. Just go home, sit with your family as the printer is printing a "document".

4. Can pass through metal detectors, especially if you use metal that doesn't go off on metal detectors. (I think metal detectors have a minimum limit on metal before they go off.)

5. 3D printed objects are incredibly light, easy to conceal and hide it almost anywhere.

6. If you have technologically competent children in your house, they can make it themselves without searching your house for a gun or finding one "accidentally."

Soo many more problems with this entire process that I cannot write it all down. I can also predict some "genius" figure out how to build a lethal bullet too using a 3D printer.

Einstein should of stated "Geniuses build technology to better the planet, but idiots will always try to weaponize it first."

In the foreseeable future, I can see 3D printers become illegal if 3D Printed weapons become a real problem. Thus, a great technology would forever be lost.

Or, in summary, epic trolling.

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I think you've been watching a little too much of the Fox News guide to sensationalism.

People have been able to build improvised explosives for many, many years now - something which is far more deadly than a crappy 3D printed pistol. Has the world ended? No.

Have fertilisers been banned? No. Have pressure cookers been banned? No.

This is a mountain out of a sub-atomic molehill.

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I think you've been watching a little too much of the Fox News guide to sensationalism.

but fox usualy goes right wing, which in favor for gun ownership.

anyway, is the printed gun fully functional?

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is the printed gun fully functional?

Yes.

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Yes.

No, you still need the firing pin installed (think that's the correct term) and this just a simple nail.

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I do believe fertilizer companies do keep records now and do inform the gov't if someone buys a large quantity.

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but fox usualy goes right wing, which in favor for gun ownership.

anyway, is the printed gun fully functional?

No, it requires additional metal components to work.

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How does having a Gun protect your Rights?

?A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.? So reads the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Gives us the right to protect ourselves, and our rights, from our own government, and outside forces. Thats how it was originally intended. Probably one of the main reasons the US has not, and probably will not, be invaded and taken over. A invading entity not only has to deal with the US Military, but also a hell of a lot of American citizens that own one or more weapons. I know several people with hundreds of weapons and I am sure there are tons more.

This should help explain it more. While this was based a long time ago, it seems more and more pertinent to today as well...

http://idiotsguides.com/static/quickguides/history/understanding-the-right-to-bear-arms.html

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well, guns doesn't prevent others if they just want to nukes the U.S and not invading it.

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Gives us the right to protect ourselves, and our rights, from our own government, and outside forces. Thats how it was originally intended. Probably one of the main reasons the US has not, and probably will not, be invaded and taken over. A invading entity not only has to deal with the US Military, but also a hell of a lot of American citizens that own one or more weapons. I know several people with hundreds of weapons and I am sure there are tons more.

This should help explain it more. While this was based a long time ago, it seems more and more pertinent to today as well...

http://idiotsguides....-bear-arms.html

I can't see how owning an unregistered plastic gun will in anyway help defend yourself from the american military, and I don't see how any invaders, that have somehow overpowered the american military and are now at your doorstep, would suddenly be stopped by the force of a few guns you may have laying around. Power in numbers I suppose is your reasoning, but have you ever observed a disorganized group of idiots in action before? I have, and we call it /b/.

It just seems like an excuse american's make for themselves to be allowed to own deadly weapons. I've lived in two separate first world nations with powerful armies (Canada and Australia) and I've yet to feel the need to protect myself from either of them. And to be honest any study I've seen or read on the ramifications of such liberal gun ownership ends with a less than appreciable result.

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Those plans should have never ended up on the internet in the first place.

There is no need for people to start making their own guns.

Quick better grab your copy fast before it's taken off the net

hahaha like it could ever be taken off the net

http://12160.info/forum/topics/cody-wilson-order-to-turn-over-all-liberator-gun-information-libe?xg_source=shorten_twitter

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It was proposed during a time of tyrannical government. And look at where governments in the world are going today. If you don't agree that they're becoming more tyrannical then you need to wake up. I'm not sure in the situation in AU, but here in the US the government wants to have windows into every facet of our lives.

So let's see - you and likeminded people in one corner with say about 10 guns each? and then "tyrannical" US government in the other corner with Army, Marines, Air force, Drones and Nuclear weapons.

Should I grab popcorn? I guess not because it will be over by the time I start my first mouthful.

Never mind though, MOAR GUNS but with plastic this time. That will improve your chances.

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So now people can liberate the life out of Americans.

Nice.

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Who cares about the second amendment. This printed gun is a major problem overall, that news articles and people here seem to not understand or even mention.

Problems with a 3D gun that is home made.

1. Will bankrupt gun manufacturers and put 1000's of people on unemployment.

2. No way to trace or track the weapon. Build it, kill someone, melt it... within hours.

3. EVERYONE HAS ACCESS to a gun now. I no longer have to be a US citizen to obtain a gun legally. Any Terrorist, Murderer, Mafioso, etc no longer needs to go through the trouble of obtaining an illegal weapon. Just go home, sit with your family as the printer is printing a "document".

4. Can pass through metal detectors, especially if you use metal that doesn't go off on metal detectors. (I think metal detectors have a minimum limit on metal before they go off.)

5. 3D printed objects are incredibly light, easy to conceal and hide it almost anywhere.

6. If you have technologically competent children in your house, they can make it themselves without searching your house for a gun or finding one "accidentally."

Soo many more problems with this entire process that I cannot write it all down. I can also predict some "genius" figure out how to build a lethal bullet too using a 3D printer.

Einstein should of stated "Geniuses build technology to better the planet, but idiots will always try to weaponize it first."

In the foreseeable future, I can see 3D printers become illegal if 3D Printed weapons become a real problem. Thus, a great technology would forever be lost.

To my knowledge the supreme court hasn't outlawed any technology that can also be used for something illegal. Granted, there hasn't been any about printing guns.

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Quick better grab your copy fast before it's taken off the net

hahaha like it could ever be taken off the net

http://12160.info/forum/topics/cody-wilson-order-to-turn-over-all-liberator-gun-information-libe?xg_source=shorten_twitter

Your reply just doesn't make any sense at all

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Who cares about the second amendment. This printed gun is a major problem overall, that news articles and people here seem to not understand or even mention.

Problems with a 3D gun that is home made.

1. Will bankrupt gun manufacturers and put 1000's of people on unemployment.

2. No way to trace or track the weapon. Build it, kill someone, melt it... within hours.

3. EVERYONE HAS ACCESS to a gun now. I no longer have to be a US citizen to obtain a gun legally. Any Terrorist, Murderer, Mafioso, etc no longer needs to go through the trouble of obtaining an illegal weapon. Just go home, sit with your family as the printer is printing a "document".

4. Can pass through metal detectors, especially if you use metal that doesn't go off on metal detectors. (I think metal detectors have a minimum limit on metal before they go off.)

5. 3D printed objects are incredibly light, easy to conceal and hide it almost anywhere.

6. If you have technologically competent children in your house, they can make it themselves without searching your house for a gun or finding one "accidentally."

Soo many more problems with this entire process that I cannot write it all down. I can also predict some "genius" figure out how to build a lethal bullet too using a 3D printer.

Einstein should of stated "Geniuses build technology to better the planet, but idiots will always try to weaponize it first."

In the foreseeable future, I can see 3D printers become illegal if 3D Printed weapons become a real problem. Thus, a great technology would forever be lost.

1. No they wont, plastic guns still wont be the same quality as professionally made metal ones.

2. Same can be said about other types of weapons. Stab someone and throw it in a river, odds are finding it are pretty damn low

3. Like that stops people now, tell that to criminals that dont have to be citizens now and still get them illegally.

4. TSA cant even stop metal guns and other weapons passing through metal detectors

5. Being light in weight doesn't equate to being more likely found if it's packed properly on a person

6. One that would imply that kids have easier access to these devices, sorry but these aren't made, yet, from makerbot type devices. They still require the more industrial style machines to make it, as well as access to bullets to fire it. Children have easier access to knives then they do to machines that can make a gun that would be strong enough to even work let alone the materials and bullets needed. Any kid with enough intent to actually pull that off wont let the lack of a 3D machine get in the way of them doing harm.

Your post is nothing more then FUD.

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Your reply just doesn't make any sense at all

The notion that you can even keep something off the net is asinine. There are very few things I believe should ever be censored, child porn being one of them and even that can't be kept off the net. These plans are online, they are not going anywhere, saying they shouldn't be allowed on the net is like yelling fire while pointing at smouldering remains, it's pointless.

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Trollololololol!

For those people who still believe their pea-shooters will allow them to fight a "tyrannical government".... good luck. I will just leave you with this video in celebration of VE-Day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2hvObzZt0g

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1. No they wont, plastic guns still wont be the same quality as professionally made metal ones.

2. Same can be said about other types of weapons. Stab someone and throw it in a river, odds are finding it are pretty damn low

3. Like that stops people now, tell that to criminals that dont have to be citizens now and still get them illegally.

4. TSA cant even stop metal guns and other weapons passing through metal detectors

5. Being light in weight doesn't equate to being more likely found if it's packed properly on a person

6. One that would imply that kids have easier access to these devices, sorry but these aren't made, yet, from makerbot type devices. They still require the more industrial style machines to make it, as well as access to bullets to fire it. Children have easier access to knives then they do to machines that can make a gun that would be strong enough to even work let alone the materials and bullets needed. Any kid with enough intent to actually pull that off wont let the lack of a 3D machine get in the way of them doing harm.

Your post is nothing more then FUD.

2,3,4,5 aren't valid counterarguments to gun control and I find it hard to believe you all keep spouting those off like that means we shouldn't regulate guns to make the country safer. Your post is nothing more than fud.

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Yay another gun control debate where neither side will give in, the topic will end up being hundreds of pages long, and we're all just going to get ****ed off at each other.

So in other news, there are free, open source CAD programs you can use to create 3-D objects that your 3-D printer can recognize. Want to trust your life to a plastic gun? Design one yourself. Personally I can see printing replacement magazines and accessories for your firearms, but the whole "Print yer own gun!" seems just a bit ridiculous to me, and I'm pro-gun. Even a .22 LR round leaves the barrel at around 1,200 feet per second, depending on the load. The projectile is either lead, or copper coated lead. Even if you created some kind of metal barrel liner to protect the plastic from the force of the bullet, which would no doubt rip the rifling out of a plastic barrel or maybe even shoot out the side, you would still be limited to 2 or 3 shots before the heat started causing the plastic to melt around, and possibly over the ends of your barrel, or into the working components of the weapon. Take your smallest caliber firearm out back, fire 4 or 5 shots in rapid succession, and then feel the barrel. It gets really hot, really fast.

Even if I disagree with their probable motivations, I think it's a good thing the feds took this down. I think this would have probably ended up injuring or killing an innocent person, not because I'm afraid a bank robber would print one and use it to commit a crime, but because of its unsafe nature. Some teenager with rich parents would have printed himself a plastic pistol and ended up shooting himself or somebody else on accident when the weapon malfunctioned.

If you want a gun, they're a heck of a lot cheaper than a 3-D printer, and when it comes from a major manufacturer, you'll feel a lot safer entrusting your life to it knowing it's been tested and re-tested by experts in the field.

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2,3,4,5 aren't valid counterarguments to gun control and I find it hard to believe you all keep spouting those off like that means we shouldn't regulate guns to make the country safer. Your post is nothing more than fud.

First off, learn what FUD actually means, everything I posted countered what I quoted, which was more FUD then what I posted. You may not believe or buy into what I said but it's not along the lines of FUD. Second Im not against levels of gun control, Im very much for many aspects of it. Im just not dumb enough to think along the lines of the far left views that all out bans makes the country safer. Guns are here to stay, that's a FACT and the sooner people get that through their heads, the sooner we can work on dealing with the real issues of gun violence. As far as Im concerned the real issue with guns and gun violence is with the mentally unstable then it is with law abiding citizens. The real FUD is spread by those that think getting rid of guns is the only way to make the country safer. When we can get past that nonsense, then we can work on the real issues.

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Guns you can get for less than the price of a 3-D printer that would be a million times more reliable than a home-printed plastic gun.

Windham Weaponry Carbon Fiber AR-15

http://windhamweaponry.com/pdf/UpdatedTechSheets/Carbon%20Fiber%20SRC%201-29-13%20MSRP.pdf

Glock 23 in .40 caliber

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g23

Or if you REALLY want to go cheap, and you like plastic guns that may not be all that reliable, you can drop $200 on a Hi-Point!

http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/handguns_40sw.html

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It?s still on the internet ;) You?re fighting a shadow US government

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