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#46 spenser.d

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:15

1. No they wont, plastic guns still wont be the same quality as professionally made metal ones.
2. Same can be said about other types of weapons. Stab someone and throw it in a river, odds are finding it are pretty damn low
3. Like that stops people now, tell that to criminals that dont have to be citizens now and still get them illegally.
4. TSA cant even stop metal guns and other weapons passing through metal detectors
5. Being light in weight doesn't equate to being more likely found if it's packed properly on a person
6. One that would imply that kids have easier access to these devices, sorry but these aren't made, yet, from makerbot type devices. They still require the more industrial style machines to make it, as well as access to bullets to fire it. Children have easier access to knives then they do to machines that can make a gun that would be strong enough to even work let alone the materials and bullets needed. Any kid with enough intent to actually pull that off wont let the lack of a 3D machine get in the way of them doing harm.


Your post is nothing more then FUD.


2,3,4,5 aren't valid counterarguments to gun control and I find it hard to believe you all keep spouting those off like that means we shouldn't regulate guns to make the country safer. Your post is nothing more than fud.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:29

Yay another gun control debate where neither side will give in, the topic will end up being hundreds of pages long, and we're all just going to get ****ed off at each other.

So in other news, there are free, open source CAD programs you can use to create 3-D objects that your 3-D printer can recognize. Want to trust your life to a plastic gun? Design one yourself. Personally I can see printing replacement magazines and accessories for your firearms, but the whole "Print yer own gun!" seems just a bit ridiculous to me, and I'm pro-gun. Even a .22 LR round leaves the barrel at around 1,200 feet per second, depending on the load. The projectile is either lead, or copper coated lead. Even if you created some kind of metal barrel liner to protect the plastic from the force of the bullet, which would no doubt rip the rifling out of a plastic barrel or maybe even shoot out the side, you would still be limited to 2 or 3 shots before the heat started causing the plastic to melt around, and possibly over the ends of your barrel, or into the working components of the weapon. Take your smallest caliber firearm out back, fire 4 or 5 shots in rapid succession, and then feel the barrel. It gets really hot, really fast.

Even if I disagree with their probable motivations, I think it's a good thing the feds took this down. I think this would have probably ended up injuring or killing an innocent person, not because I'm afraid a bank robber would print one and use it to commit a crime, but because of its unsafe nature. Some teenager with rich parents would have printed himself a plastic pistol and ended up shooting himself or somebody else on accident when the weapon malfunctioned.

If you want a gun, they're a heck of a lot cheaper than a 3-D printer, and when it comes from a major manufacturer, you'll feel a lot safer entrusting your life to it knowing it's been tested and re-tested by experts in the field.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:34

2,3,4,5 aren't valid counterarguments to gun control and I find it hard to believe you all keep spouting those off like that means we shouldn't regulate guns to make the country safer. Your post is nothing more than fud.



First off, learn what FUD actually means, everything I posted countered what I quoted, which was more FUD then what I posted. You may not believe or buy into what I said but it's not along the lines of FUD. Second Im not against levels of gun control, Im very much for many aspects of it. Im just not dumb enough to think along the lines of the far left views that all out bans makes the country safer. Guns are here to stay, that's a FACT and the sooner people get that through their heads, the sooner we can work on dealing with the real issues of gun violence. As far as Im concerned the real issue with guns and gun violence is with the mentally unstable then it is with law abiding citizens. The real FUD is spread by those that think getting rid of guns is the only way to make the country safer. When we can get past that nonsense, then we can work on the real issues.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:43

Guns you can get for less than the price of a 3-D printer that would be a million times more reliable than a home-printed plastic gun.

Windham Weaponry Carbon Fiber AR-15
http://windhamweapon...-29-13 MSRP.pdf

Glock 23 in .40 caliber
http://us.glock.com/products/model/g23

Or if you REALLY want to go cheap, and you like plastic guns that may not be all that reliable, you can drop $200 on a Hi-Point!
http://www.hi-pointf...dguns_40sw.html

#50 myxomatosis

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:46

It’s still on the internet ;) You’re fighting a shadow US government

#51 mudslag

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:49

It’s still on the internet ;) You’re fighting a shadow US government



The gov must have hired Beyonce and Justin Bieber's lawyers for thinking they could get it taken off the internet.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:53

How does having a Gun protect your Rights?


It keeps the power with the people and not the governments... ;) Not saying that everyone should have a gun or anything, just saying that is one reason, if it all falls a part.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:14

Einstein should of stated "Geniuses build technology to better the planet, but idiots will always try to weaponize it first."


He would not have stated that, and in fact has acted to the contrary. He said later in life that becoming a pacifist as he had done previously was a mistake. He gave the knowledge for the theory behind a nuclear bomb to the US government for the express intent of using nuclear energy as a weapon. He didn't participate in the manhattan project himself, but he offered his knowledge wherever he could to those who were participating, and he wrote a letter to the president recommending its development. He was effectively one among many behind the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The world has been asking the USA this for a long time!


Why would they be doing that? The USA is neither the only first world country to allow ownership of firearms, nor is it the first world country with the fewest restrictions on owning firearms. I don't see why "the world" (which I think when you say "the world" you are just referring to western Europe) would be singling out the US for anything other than partisan political reasons.

Even if I disagree with their probable motivations, I think it's a good thing the feds took this down. I think this would have probably ended up injuring or killing an innocent person, not because I'm afraid a bank robber would print one and use it to commit a crime, but because of its unsafe nature. Some teenager with rich parents would have printed himself a plastic pistol and ended up shooting himself or somebody else on accident when the weapon malfunctioned.


No matter the motivation, the DoD made a poor choice here if their goal is to nip this in the bud. Two words will explain it all: "Streissand Effect". If they truly need time to evaluate what to do from here, taking this step was a very bad first choice.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:40

Nice, the United States just loves to censor whatever they get their hands on. I say if it is in accordance to federal law, let it stay out there, the file is already out on the internet, so what's the point now?


To associate the words "The Pentagon" with the files to scare people into not downloading them. That's my best guess at least.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:49

Yay another gun control debate where neither side will give in, the topic will end up being hundreds of pages long, and we're all just going to get ****ed off at each other.
und 1,200 feet per second, depending on the load.


I doubt it.

There is already a thread about such discussion, please use it accordingly.

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