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But if we name the parent company of Subway "Doctor's Associates, Inc" then it must be healthy right?

^ Of course ! 'Cuz doctors never lie or mislead people. :p

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As opposed to the calorie intake of sandwiches people didn't order/eat?

You cannot say that subway is as bad for you as mcdonalds just based on what people are ordering.

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No fast food is particularly healthy, however it would perhaps be advantageous to display Sodium content alongside calories

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You cannot say that subway is as bad for you as mcdonalds just based on what people are ordering.

Except you can and it is.

For example I go to subway and get a footlong steak and cheese sub. It's not a special order or anything. Based on Subways own nutrition info it's over 1,000 calories, 18 grams of saturated fat and 2,600mg of Sodium. Tasty.

The next day I go to McDonalds and get a Big Mac and fries. According to McDonalds (Canada) this is 890 calories, 12 grams of saturated fat and 1,290mg of sodium.

So which is the better option?

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high fructose corn syrup is not worse for you than any other sugar or carb for that matter.
Fructose is among the leading causes of increasing obesity and type-2 diabetes in the United States. This article is a good place to start: Obesity, Type 2 Diabetes, and Fructose.

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How did that fat guy lose weight eating Subway ... ?

He had aids :D

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He had aids :D

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whats worse: your joke or me finding such jokes kinda funny... doh

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whats worse: your joke or me finding such jokes kinda funny... doh

I maybe should have mentioned the meaning behind my post :D

...but basically, the humor in the South Park episode (the image is from that) about Jared Fogle was the misunderstanding of "aids" - seeing as everyone thought he had the disease, and thus loosing weight that way (if I remember it correctly) but he had "aides" - as in, personal assistants

On topic: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Jared_Fogle

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Fructose is among the leading causes of increasing obesity and type-2 diabetes in the United States. This article is a good place to start: Obesity, Type 2 Diabetes, and Fructose.

this data agrees with what I just said. its not the the actual HFCS that increases obesity and type 2 diabetes, its the over consumption because this stuff is dirt cheap and is put in everything to add taste. I totally agree with this.

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The idiots that did the research were probably having them load it up with extra meat, cheese and sauces. How dumb can you be to not realize that adding those things also adds calories, carbohydrates, sodium, etc.?

that was the point...

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Should be titled "Subway can be just as unhealthy as mcdonalds"......I usually get a 6", which with what I order on it works out to 350 calories, and only 15% of the recommended fat and 20% of the recommended saturated fats for the entire day. Sometimes when I'm feeling really hungry or skip breakfast I will get a 12"....which basically just doubles the values for the 6", but they are still within pretty normal values that I would say are almost always healthier than what I eat when I order at McDonalds, and it's just as filling and tastes a lot better too.

Just because Subway can be as unhealthy as McDonalds doesn't mean it always is. The meals I order at Subway are virtually always healthier than what I order at McDonalds....I suppose I could order a salad at McDonalds but the same could be said for Subway.

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I'd think the cooking oil and heat would add to McDee's unhealthiness.

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my last sub (about 4 days ago) was meatballs with double meat and double cheese with salami ;( smothered in BBQ sauce ;( DONT LOOK AT ME *cries*

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that was the point...

My point is if you order subs with a proper amount of food in them, they will have much less caloric content than a standard McDonalds meal. If you add more stuff, of course it can be just as unhealthy.

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this data agrees with what I just said. its not the the actual HFCS that increases obesity and type 2 diabetes, its the over consumption because this stuff is dirt cheap and is put in everything to add taste. I totally agree with this.

You said "high fructose corn syrup is not worse for you than any other sugar or carb". The article shows that fructose is worse than other sugars and calories because of its metabolism and statistical correlation with obesity. It's not just a matter of how much people eat; widespread obesity is not caused by widespread gluttony. It's mainly a matter of what people eat. That they eat too much and don't exercise is largely driven by what they eat in the first place.

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You said "high fructose corn syrup is not worse for you than any other sugar or carb".

The article shows that fructose is worse than other sugars and calories because of its metabolism and statistical correlation with obesity.

the article proves NOTHING factual. it shows correlation only ,and even states correlation is not cause. 100% of people who drink water die. does this prove water is bad for you? HFCS is just another sugar. it doesn't do anything different to the body. its not particularly high in calories either.

It's not just a matter of how much people eat;

yes it is. its physics. its the law of conservation of energy. energy cannot be created,nor destroyed. it is only transferred. When you eat, you're shifting energy in your body. if theres too much of it and it isn't used, it gets stored as fat or muscle. It cannot be destroyed. if you don't provide enough energy to your body, where is this energy going to come from? thin air? no,it comes from reserve fat stores. that is how you lose weight.

widespread obesity is not caused by widespread gluttony. It's mainly a matter of what people eat.

you are easily proven wrong. go look at low carb people. these people are eating nothing but fried chicken,mayonaisse, egg yolks, steaks, butter, cheese and losing a ton of weight. I dare you to vist these low carb forums and look at peoples meals.

then go look at low fat diets. these diets are loaded with carbs and sugars,and these people are also losing dozens and hundreds of pounds.

this contradicts everything a lot of people,including you are saying. this is reality.

That they eat too much and don't exercise is largely driven by what they eat in the first place.

that is completely not true. eating too much and not exercising is not caused by what you eat, but the type of lifestyle you lead. if I drink soda, all of a sudden im going to get fat because im going to over eat and not exercise? that is illogical.

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the article proves NOTHING factual. it shows correlation only ,and even states correlation is not cause. 100% of people who drink water die. does this prove water is bad for you? HFCS is just another sugar. it doesn't do anything different to the body. its not particularly high in calories either.

First you state to agree with the article, then when I summarize it to you you say it doesn't prove anything. Did you even read it? It clearly shows (and it's not the only one, you can find this information virtually anywhere) that fructose is metabolized differently from other sugars and has a different effect on hormonal regulation of satiety, hunger and energy level. Unlike other sugars, fructose is largely transformed to fat, and does not trigger the satiety response like glucose. It also causes leptin resistance.

you are easily proven wrong. go look at low carb people. these people are eating nothing but fried chicken,mayonaisse, egg yolks, steaks, butter, cheese and losing a ton of weight. I dare you to vist these low carb forums and look at peoples meals.

None of that contains any fructose, so what's your point? I agree that high calorie diets can be healthy; my point is that fructose is not just another harmless source of calories.

then go look at low fat diets. these diets are loaded with carbs and sugars,and these people are also losing dozens and hundreds of pounds.
But these calories and sugars are, again, not fructose. There's no diet based on soft drinks and artificially sweetened sugars.

if I drink soda, all of a sudden im going to get fat because im going to over eat and not exercise? that is illogical.
You're a biological organism, and your will to eat and exercise is governed by hormones; fructose in large amounts (such as in soft drinks) causes hormonal dysfunctions that cause your body to store more energy as fat than it needs to, to feel hungry when you don't need calories, and lazy when you have enough energy to exercise. Yes, fructose is making people fat.

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^ I guarantee you I never gained weight from eating fruit. :p

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First you state to agree with the article, then when I summarize it to you you say it doesn't prove anything. Did you even read it? It clearly shows (and it's not the only one, you can find this information virtually anywhere) that fructose is metabolized differently from other sugars and has a different effect on hormonal regulation of satiety, hunger and energy level. Unlike other sugars, fructose is largely transformed to fat, and does not trigger the satiety response like glucose. It also causes leptin resistance.

i did not agree that hfcs is worse than sugar metabolically, only that it is consumed in bigger amounts because it is added in big quantities to foods and that may add extra energy consumption.

None of that contains any fructose, so what's your point? I agree that high calorie diets can be healthy; my point is that fructose is not just another harmless source of calories.

these are not high calorie diets. these are low calorie diets with eating purely one type of macronutrient that is deemed "unhealthy", proving that the calorie amount is what determines health,not the actual macronutrient.

But these calories and sugars are, again, not fructose. There's no diet based on soft drinks and artificially sweetened sugars.

these diets incorporate fruits, which have fructose. A Medium sized apple has the same amount of fructose as a can of soda. Low fat diets incorporate plenty of fruits,and people lose a ton of weight and are healthy. Are you telling me fruits now are bad for you? Fruits make you fat? Fruits will give you diabetes? Fruits will give you heart disease and high blood pressure? Fruits cause cancer? That is what you're essentially saying.

You're a biological organism, and your will to eat and exercise is governed by hormones;

Are you serious? It has nothing to do with hormones. Its the lifestyle that determines this. If I am concerned about my looks, I will watch how much I eat,and make sure to hit the gym. If I am an athlete,I am constantly working out and care about my performance. If I have a desk job, I am sitting all day without doing any type of activity. Hormones have zero to do with this. If I wake up early and don't have time to make breakfast,I will pass by a fast food place,and order a large portion of food because its cheap and it should make me full for a while. I will finish work and be exhausted, then don't feel like making food. I will grab a pizza and stuff my face then go to sleep. I don't have time to exercise. I will gain weight. Again,where do hormones come into play?

fructose in large amounts (such as in soft drinks) causes hormonal dysfunctions that cause your body to store more energy as fat than it needs to, to feel hungry when you don't need calories, and lazy when you have enough energy to exercise. Yes, fructose is making people fat.

that is not a fact. its never been proven. its theory based on correlation. It means absolutely zilch. there are a dozen controlled studies that come to the conclusion that there is no difference between consuming sucrose, or hfcs.

by the way, here are comments from a cardiologist about sugar and conversion to fat.

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Except you can and it is.

For example I go to subway and get a footlong steak and cheese sub. It's not a special order or anything. Based on Subways own nutrition info it's over 1,000 calories, 18 grams of saturated fat and 2,600mg of Sodium. Tasty.

The next day I go to McDonalds and get a Big Mac and fries. According to McDonalds (Canada) this is 890 calories, 12 grams of saturated fat and 1,290mg of sodium.

So which is the better option?

You can get the veggie delight sub . a footlong has 460 calories in it. That would make subway a lot healthier then mcdonalds.

Also the veggie delight is on their menu.

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You can get the veggie delight sub . a footlong has 460 calories in it. That would make subway a lot healthier then mcdonalds.

Also the veggie delight is on their menu.

You can also get a single cheeseburger and a diet coke at McDonalds.

Doesn't change the fact that Subway can be just as healthy or unhealthy as any other fast food depending on what you pick.

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I bought 2 types of Cambell's soups, which I like to mix together, for a delicious meal. [and I thought, healthy]

Between the MSG laden Vegetarian Vegetable and the Home-style Chicken Noodle, there is over 2100 mg of sodium ! :|

Way more than many cheaper, fast-food items.

There is way too much salt being dumped into our foods.

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these diets incorporate fruits, which have fructose. A Medium sized apple has the same amount of fructose as a can of soda. Low fat diets incorporate plenty of fruits,and people lose a ton of weight and are healthy. Are you telling me fruits now are bad for you? Fruits make you fat? Fruits will give you diabetes? Fruits will give you heart disease and high blood pressure? Fruits cause cancer? That is what you're essentially saying.
Fresh fruits contain fiber which travels quickly through the intestines and triggers satiety, which means it's pretty hard to eat too much fruit, i.e. your body tells you right away you've had enough and you just don't want anymore.

Are you serious? It has nothing to do with hormones. Its the lifestyle that determines this. If I am concerned about my looks, I will watch how much I eat,and make sure to hit the gym. If I am an athlete,I am constantly working out and care about my performance. If I have a desk job, I am sitting all day without doing any type of activity. Hormones have zero to do with this. If I wake up early and don't have time to make breakfast,I will pass by a fast food place,and order a large portion of food because its cheap and it should make me full for a while. I will finish work and be exhausted, then don't feel like making food. I will grab a pizza and stuff my face then go to sleep. I don't have time to exercise. I will gain weight. Again,where do hormones come into play?
Hormones control appetite, energy level, amount of energy converted to fat. That's just a fact. Your example doesn't illustrate why someone would eat too much, simply that they would eat prefabricated, unhealthy food. The human body knows when it needs food and when to stop eating. Even with little activity, a person normally doesn't get obese, she will simply eat less. How come then, people eat too much? How come they don't feel full after eating half that 2000-calorie meal and stop there? How come they feel exhausted even though they have a surplus of calories?

I agree that life choices have a role in this, but it cannot account for such a widespread phenomenon. People have not suddenly become gluttons, and while they are more sedentary than before that shouldn't lead in itself to a massive obesity endemic. We're seeing babies practically born obese. Surely they cannot be blamed for their lifestyle?

There is way too much salt being dumped into our foods.
Yes. It's even worse in Canada; apparently we have saltier taste and food companies appeal to that. :/

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At Subway though, aren't most of their sandwiches bigger than your average burger from McDonald's? I've not read into it, mainly because I'm lazy, but did they do like-for-like comparison or was it merely Burgers vs Subs? 'Cus haven't places like McDonald's started to copy Subway's style of wraps / sandwiches / salads? Sure I remember seeing adverts for it, but it's been that long since I've been inside a McDonald's I barely remember what they sell past their long running burgers.

I don't particularly like Subway, I just find it a bit bland and boring. If I'm going to eat out anywhere, it's got to be a lot better than what I can make at home.

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^ Since I can make almost anything better at home, then I should never eat out. :p

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