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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:41

You sir are a die hard ps fan. What are you doing here? All you have to say is negatives about the Xbox. Can we xboxers enjoy the news without any FUD or negatives being spilt?
You don't like the console fine (no one was forcing you to get it anyway)
You don't like the way it looks? (Fine too, nofu)
You don't like that Microsoft didn't only focus on games (ur a ps fan, you weren't going to buy the Xbox anyway)


MS have brought this negative attention on themselves from gamers, unless of course you think I'm in charge of the internet.

And everyone keeps saying its kotaku only, not really....

http://www.gamesindu...em-itself-at-e3


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:46

I didn't see anywhere MS say the disc wont be needed ... did I miss that?

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:09

Why do they make simple things so complicated...

I mean, so many questions and clarification after clarification about
being able or not to play used games
being able to transfer save files
being able to play with out internet connection or is the last one a requirement anf if yes does it have to be constant or once per day.

So many "meaningless" stuff that are connected with the release of a new entertainment system that they shouldn't be, at least not in that degree.
Stuff like new games,tech specs, new features, gameplay graphics etc is what Microsoft should have mades us discuss and not all these freaking nonsense


Well maybe, just maybe, the initial reveal was just to give us a first glimpse at the console and not give every tiny detail up - you know, EXACTLY like they said it would be? FFS you people make me cry for the intelligence of humanity.

The questions your asking don't need to be answered yet, its not on fecking sale until later in the year and they have already said most info will come at E3. Just wait ey?

MS have brought this negative attention on themselves from gamers, unless of course you think I'm in charge of the internet.

And everyone keeps saying its kotaku only, not really....

http://www.gamesindu...em-itself-at-e3


How so, it seems that people are jumping from one disproven rumour to another with one general theme floating between them all - MS hate!

Nothing needs to be answered now, it will all come in time, sites need page views, page views are better generated with sensational content to get everyone whipped up into a little internet storm based on nothing other than 'they should blar blar, they shouldn't blar blar' and no content.

I personally think the way this will be handled, once fully revealed, will be very nice and will bring benefits but I just don't know and I don't need to know as I'm not in a fecking shop on the verge of buying one because, you know, ITS NOT ON FREEKING SALE UNTIL NEAR HOLIDAYS!!! jesus I need to calm down, I just get so annoyed with the stupidity of people, it makes me sad.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:15

MS have brought this negative attention on themselves from gamers, unless of course you think I'm in charge of the internet.

And everyone keeps saying its kotaku only, not really....

http://www.gamesindu...em-itself-at-e3


That is a known Sony fanboy site- probably the worst example you could use. Also, they are just hopping on the rumour bandwagon.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:37

That is a known Sony fanboy site- probably the worst example you could use. Also, they are just hopping on the rumour bandwagon.


Say what?! GamesIndustry has absolutely no history to being tied to a Sony fanboy site or anything of the likes, please supply some convincing evidence....

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:45

This works like steam - games are tied to an account ; pay MS to unlock from your XBL account to resell them (unlike STEAM)
same with origin etc - pc`s been doing it this way for a good few years now

#22 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:46

Say what?! GamesIndustry has absolutely no history to being tied to a Sony fanboy site or anything of the likes, please supply some convincing evidence....

They posted a negative Microsoft article, proof enough......no?

This works like steam - games are tied to an account ; pay MS to unlock from your XBL account to resell them (unlike STEAM)
same with origin etc - pc`s been doing it this way for a good few years now

Yeah except historically you've never been able to rent PC games, I've been renting games since the SNES/Megadrive.

#23 George P

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:47

I think MS could give us a resell option for everything and cut out the middle man. What if I could buy a XBLA or GoD copy of a game, beat it and then want to sell it to someone? Right now I can't on the 360 but maybe they have a system in place so we can do that on the XB1?



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:49

If you don't enjoy something you can easily hate it.....

I let my GF borrow my PS3 games, I'm sure a lot of other people share games between them. Well... Gamers and GF's don't always go ;)

Are you somehow implying that you are a better than others here because you are a gamer and you have a GF? :laugh: If yes, that's a new low for you.

They really want to know if you can lend a game out, I bet you can, and I bet that as long as that game is lent out you can't play it either. I'm going to make a guess and say each disc has some encryption key on it, as with every console so far actually. That key is matched to your account, so if that same key is flagged on another account the first one could be turned off until the second one is uninstalled.

So, until your friend is done and uninstalled the game and gave you the disc back then your installed copy won't play. Just a guess though.


On one hand I have no objections if they go with what you are describing there but that's just too much "work" for gamers. It also locks out public libraries in the USA. I have routinely checked out 360 games from local library (those that I had no intention to buy). It will also kill services such as GameFly and Redbox.

If they combine this with lower initial price of the games (say $40 instead of $60) then it will be easier to swallow it.

You sir are a die hard ps fan. What are you doing here? All you have to say is negatives about the Xbox. Can we xboxers enjoy the news without any FUD or negatives being spilt?
You don't like the console fine (no one was forcing you to get it anyway)
You don't like the way it looks? (Fine too, nofu)
You don't like that Microsoft didn't only focus on games (ur a ps fan, you weren't going to buy the Xbox anyway)


Now watch him pretend how he is a gamer at heart and cares about gaming culture blah blah blah.

I didn't see anywhere MS say the disc wont be needed ... did I miss that?

Phil Harrison made some confusing remarks to a Kotaku guy. He talked about "hypothetical scenarios" or what's possible. Kotaku combined it with previous rumors and ran with it.

The basic premise is that the disc can act like a delivery medium and once you "activate" it on your profile, you will no longer need it because it is tied to your account. Think Games on Demand of Xbox 360 but games are installed from the disc instead of Xbox Live.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:51

You sir are a die hard ps fan. What are you doing here? All you have to say is negatives about the Xbox. Can we xboxers enjoy the news without any FUD or negatives being spilt?
You don't like the console fine (no one was forcing you to get it anyway)
You don't like the way it looks? (Fine too, nofu)
You don't like that Microsoft didn't only focus on games (ur a ps fan, you weren't going to buy the Xbox anyway)


This is nothing to do with being a PS3 fan, etc. This is about Microsoft essentially killing off the second hand game market (or at least, reducing it's value somewhat).

Say I have a copy of 1 game on the shelf, and my friend has another. We can no longer just play each others games without having to be signed into the others account, or paying a fee. How is that a good thing?

#26 Julius Caro

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:53

so basically you can't just, by a game, finish it, have the disc collecting dust for months, have a friend over who didnt buy the game back when it was release and you want to lend it to him. You can't? You have to pay a fee? what's the deal here.

The game install being tied to your account, and that account being able to enable playing the game on any console (one at a time obviously), was a given.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:55

Are you somehow implying that you are a better than others here because you are a gamer and you have a GF? :laugh: If yes, that's new low for you.


Yeah I sure said that, I'm a regular pimp, why would I not be better than others on here.... :wub:

It's a light hearted poke at a gaming culture that can be very solitary outside of playing games online with your mates. There are many people even simply in friendships who swap games with each other as a more cost effective way of trying games out.

My GF and I are serious (simply meaning we see/spend much time with each other), and we do not see the point of us both buying copies of every game we enjoy. As we have similar genre interests, outside of us both wanting to play something at the same time, or wanting a genuinely amazing game in our collection, we aren't both buying copies of Heavy Rain when I can just give her my copy when I'm done.

She doesn't want to play it on my account on her PS3, she wants to play it on hers to get the trophies and satisfaction of using her own account name (especially if it's a multiplayer game - Yes not all MP games have online passes). Even if she didn't have to pay a fee, simply use my account, she doesn't want to do that for the exact same reasons. People get attached to their online alias/ID and account in general, especially with the trophy/achievement culture. Not to mention if I'm using my account at home, and she has to sign into my account at hers, well, that would boot me out wouldn't it? .....

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:10

Just wondering, what is the process if you get games from something like Gamefly? Genuine question, i've not seen anything regarding that.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:12

Just wondering, what is the process if you get games from something like Gamefly? Genuine question, i've not seen anything regarding that.


Most likely the same as the used game market, whatever this "solution in progress" is for when you cannot log into the original disc owners account (whoever rented from Gamefly first?). Phil Harrison said a fee, MS backtracked, but it's going to be something or the "you need to be logged into the owners account" requirement simply would not exist - Like how it is this generation, a disc is a disc, it works wherever with no cavecats.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:15

Most likely the same as the used game market, whatever this "solution in progress" is for when you cannot log into the original disc owners account (whoever rented from Gamefly first?). Phil Harrison said a fee, MS backtracked, but it's going to be something or the "you need to be logged into the owners account" requirement simply would not exist - Like how it is this generation, a disc is a disc, it works wherever with no cavecats.


Or they have a way for rentals to work and haven't revealed it. It wouldn't exactly be hard to do.