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not a big fan of this sort of thing, then again there really is not much you can do about it.

Also PRISM sounds like "The Machine" from Person of Interest

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This administration is out of control.

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PRISM got its name from the fact that the infamous "Room 641A" fiasco from the mid-2000s with AT&T and an NSA whistleblower leaking info about how prisms (literally, real prisms) were being used to beam-split the fiber optic feeds that make up a huge portion of the Internet dataflow backbone nowadays (aka trunks) and if you wanted to copy the data being transmitted over said fiber optic links the easiest way would be to just use a prism to split the beam (literally) and let one part continue on while collecting/copying/harvesting/mining the remaining side.

It's literally a perfect tap in most every respect with no real trace or tampering of the original bitstream that you could note to any degree at all.

I'm one of those 'tinfoil hat' people I suppose: been involved with data communications since the 1970s (yes I'm somewhat old these days) and I've always been well aware that this sort of thing - meaning the active data collection/mining/monitoring - is not only possible but relatively easy to do. In the past it was more precise and more targeted because even though it was easy to do, it wasn't easy to do on a large massive scale so in those days you would literally have to know exactly who, what, when, where, and why you were allowed to monitor or collect data on a given subject or target.

Nowadays, because computers are capable of monitoring so much data in real-time and finding those dreaded keywords or topics that set off the "red flags" to alert a human that something could be potentially worth more direct inspection, it's even easier.

I hate to say "I told you so..." (meaning I've been saying this stuff has been happening since the dawn of the telecommunications age and with it being primarily digital it has been in motion since the first router was connected to "the Internet" long ago) but but but...

"I told you so... and so have many many other people over the years, some still with us, many long gone." ;)

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Liber8 would be proud

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This administration is out of control.

Apparently. I use to be against this kind of stuff but apparently we need it to know what the hell is going on. And what is going on is very scary stuff.

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Anon be in big trouble now.

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This administration is out of control.

Welcome to 1984

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They've got no right to spy on people unless they have a warrant to do so.

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This administration Washington is out of control.

FTFY

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They've got no right to spy on people unless they have a warrant to do so.

That doesn't appear to matter very much to them.

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They've got no right to spy on people unless they have a warrant to do so.

Hence the court orders and the legal authority created and passed by congress.

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If only I had $15 I could have "leaked" these documents way before Anonymous. Heck for $33 the Department of Commerce would have printed out the document and mailed it me.

http://www.ntis.gov/...?ABBR=ADA528253

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This administration is out of control.

It's important to remember that this spying started under the previous administration and has been continued by the current one. It's not a party political problem, it's a problem with government in general and the military in particular.

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The funny thing about this is that Kal Penn, Kumar of Harold and Kumar, worked for Obama as an Assoc. Director in the White House Office of Public Engagement, the office that is supposed to be a connection between the people and the WH. So the very things he is making a joke of - Gitmo, the 5th Ammendment/Bill Of Rights, loss of personal freedoms and rights, and so on, he took part of making a joke of it though this president.

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They've got no right to spy on people unless they have a warrant to do so.

Spying indicates a secretive motive like we are an enemy or competitor... They are merely collecting information on everyone in secret, for the greater good of everyone they are collecting information on.. right?

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The tide is changing, the people realize how messed up this administration and washington is in general. Something will have to give.

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It's important to remember that this spying started under the previous administration and has been continued by the current one. It's not a party political problem, it's a problem with government in general and the military in particular.

So with your and Mudslag's comments, it is not any one person's fault if the finger is being pointed at Obama, it is the fault of all of Washington. Unless we want to blame it on someone who is not Obama, then we will blame it on one specific person.

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Hence the court orders and the legal authority created and passed by congress.

the same congress that went on to pass the Patriot act?

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See, this is when I have zero issue with Anonymous. When they take a WikiLeaks approach and do things "for the greater good."

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Apparently. I use to be against this kind of stuff but apparently we need it to know what the hell is going on. And what is going on is very scary stuff.

A random persons respect on the internet probably doesn't mean much but I respect this statement. With what's going on, some people still hold firm that it's for the best.

On another note, I remember lurking in conversations where people would predict this kinda stuff and the thumb thugs of Neowin would do what they do and bash them for being "ignorant and paranoid". Now that those tin foil hat wearers seem to be right, I wonder how those aforementioned thumb thugs feel. I wish the hoopla for being right about some "far out conspiracy" was as big as the hoopla for the bashing the "conspiracy theorists" received for being "stupid".

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Unless we want to blame it on someone who is not Obama, then we will blame it on one specific person.

I think the main problem with blaming it on person (whether that be Obama, Bush, or whoever) is it insinuates the idea that once Obama/Bush/whoever is removed from power then all of this will stop and it will get better.

It won't. The whole system is like this.

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