The mother of all NSA and US government conspiracies.

[mudslag]

 

 

 

 

No, it's the truth. Getting sleep head aches or anything cured takes time, and is why I stated, "In some Due time." & For now, until that happens all we can do is have faith. Words aren't nothing, you just have to listen to them and be good. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what is it, truth or faith? If you can't back up your statement then it's not truth. If you have faith in what you're saying then that's on you, you can't expect others to carry that faith with you. Until you can backup your claim that you made, it's just nonsense. Given the level of nonsense you've already posted in this thread, Ill refer you to the first line in my sig, it applies to you and the OP. 

[mkwzrd1260]

So what is it, truth or faith? If you can't back up your statement then it's not truth. If you have faith in what you're saying then that's on you, you can't expect others to carry that faith with you. Until you can backup your claim that you made, it's just nonsense. Given the level of nonsense you've already posted in this thread, Ill refer you to the first line in my sig, it applies to you and the OP. 

 

Well, you, I, or anyone can only tell the truth. The truth is, I know someone who has a head ache, that gets worse after having dreams at night. Then they wake up and it continues. The statement is backed up with words, some published, and some not. Faith in God is something you, I, or anyone can only have. Those around you should have it too. The most important thing in life, is your attitude. You can make it a good one if you choose to. A little good support doesn't hurt anyone, when you're dealing with good people. Whether his dreams has to do with this Remote Neural Monitoring technology, or not, which just about every article about RNM says it does have to do with dreaming, he's good. It doesn't matter if RNM does, or does not exist, and based on what your saying it doesn't exist, so where ever these dreams that hurt him are coming from, we have to stop them from hurting him. 

 

Dreams are spiritual. The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United State's of America protects our freedom to practice religion, and be spiritual. All we can do is have faith in God. Prayer is important.

 

You just have to accept that having dreams every night does hurt for some people. I can't tell you what to do, but like earlier in the conversation. You shouldn't just assume things about people. It's better to listen and to respect them.

[astropheed Veteran]

The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United State's of America protects our freedom to practice religion, and be spiritual. 

 

Considering the BS your spouting, do you really care about a constitution that you nutters clearly believe are routinely ignored by the very same Gov't upholding it? I'm sure that 'Remote Neural Monitoring' isn't directly mentioned in the Constitution of America but I'm sure it's pretty strongly implied it'd be heavily frowned upon, amiright?

[mudslag]

Well, you, I, or anyone can only tell the truth. The truth is, I know someone who has a head ache, that gets worse after having dreams at night. Then they wake up and it continues. The statement is backed up with words, some published, and some not. Faith in God is something you, I, or anyone can only have. Those around you should have it too. The most important thing in life, is your attitude. You can make it a good one if you choose to. A little good support doesn't hurt anyone, when you're dealing with good people. Whether his dreams has to do with this Remote Neural Monitoring technology, or not, which just about every article about RNM says it does have to do with dreaming, he's good. It doesn't matter if RNM does, or does not exist, and based on what your saying it doesn't exist, so where ever these dreams that hurt him are coming from, we have to stop them from hurting him. 

 

Dreams are spiritual. The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United State's of America protects our freedom to practice religion, and be spiritual. All we can do is have faith in God. Prayer is important.

 

You just have to accept that having dreams every night does hurt for some people. I can't tell you what to do, but like earlier in the conversation. You shouldn't just assume things about people. It's better to listen and to respect them.

 

 

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Everyone has dreams, having dreams does not equate the reason for the head aches. You might as well be implying breathing while sleeping also cause head aches. There could be a thousand reasons why X person gets head aches at night, everything from the way they sleep to the bed type they sleep on to the detergent used to clean the sheets to the pillow type used and everything else in between. What can you show that excludes all other possibilities first before jumping into the notion that dreams are the cause over all others? If you're going to make claims, it's on you to back up said claim. Dont coward out with another cop out. As for continuing after waking up, that's the thing with head aches, there is no off switch, they continue til they stop. Waking up should never be considered an off switch. I would very much like to see these "published" words on the subject you lay claim to yet again. 

 

"Faith" is not limited to god, not sure what that has to do with now. You didn't associate god in your last post so what does god have to do with this subject now? The rest of your post is ramblings of someone not thinking with a clear mind. Your post is all over the place. Dreams "can" be spiritual, that doesn't mean they all are. The first amendment has zero to do with this conversation and really neither does god or religion.

 

I don't have to accept that dreams hurt anyone every night or any night, that's your opinion that's not backed by anything other then what you are saying and frankly what you're saying sounds insane. 

[mkwzrd1260]

Considering the BS your spouting, do you really care about a constitution that you nutters clearly believe are routinely ignored by the very same Gov't upholding it? I'm sure that 'Remote Neural Monitoring' isn't directly mentioned in the Constitution of America but I'm sure it's pretty strongly implied it'd be heavily frowned upon, amiright?

 

Well the problem is that the Bull ******'s, aren't reading the Constitution, and they are ignoring it. The United State's Government, it's people, businesses, and it's Agencies need to read the Constitution, and make sure that they follow it.  Clearly I am not the bull ****. Words aren't nothing. & Freedom isn't nothing. 

 

 

 

Correlation does not imply causation. Everyone has dreams, having dreams does not equate the reason for the head aches. You might as well be implying breathing while sleeping also cause head aches. There could be a thousand reasons why X person gets head aches at night, everything from the way they sleep to the bed type they sleep on to the detergent used to clean the sheets to the pillow type used and everything else in between. What can you show that excludes all other possibilities first before jumping into the notion that dreams are the cause over all others? If you're going to make claims, it's on you to back up said claim. Dont coward out with another cop out. As for continuing after waking up, that's the thing with head aches, there is no off switch, they continue til they stop. Waking up should never be considered an off switch. I would very much like to see these "published" words on the subject you lay claim to yet again. 

 

"Faith" is not limited to god, not sure what that has to do with now. You didn't associate god in your last post so what does god have to do with this subject now? The rest of your post is ramblings of someone not thinking with a clear mind. Your post is all over the place. Dreams "can" be spiritual, that doesn't mean they all are. The first amendment has zero to do with this conversation and really neither does god or religion.

 

I don't have to accept that dreams hurt anyone every night or any night, that's your opinion that's not backed by anything other then what you are saying and frankly what you're saying sounds insane. 

 

All I'm saying about this is, the head aches are worse as soon as the person wakes up directly from a dream. That implies that the cause is the dream, and the effect is the head ache. Every dream that the person has had through out the night wakes them up. It's a form of insomnia. That is all I'm saying at this time. Besides that information...

 

Correlation is two separate events occurring between two different things at the same time, in different places that may or, may not be related. For example, correlation does not mean causation in that Remote Neural Monitoring may not be the cause of a persons dreams at night, even though the object or person is having dreams at the same time as most of the Remote Neural Monitoring articles talk of providing dreams to targets. My question is, who is corrupt and doing the targeting? Although Remote Neural Monitoring does correlate, it does not mean causation of the dreams. That means that no matter what, we have to stop the dreams, where ever they come from, in order to stop the head aches from getting worse. This is as public as you're going to get, as in any information about this persons situation for now.

 

Anyways, I have a clear mind. Users like some people on here who harass people, and type, trying to defy everything someone says don't sound very clear minded. If you don't accept the truth that someone tells you, it wastes valuable time. Not saying you should be too optimistic or anything and let people take advantage of you either. If something doesn't effect you, like someone else's dreams, and head aches at night shouldn't; Stop getting so excited about it. By using the word faith out of context, it could also mean hope for something. 

[nullie]

^{dudes, did you see the Colbert Report video? Obama clearly lies here, he says there "Is no domestic spying" program. that means he's denying even PRISM exists, he would never admit under oath to committing any crimes, or illegal acts against the American people. because that's the only way he can get in trouble, is if he acknowledges knowledge himself. so they're doing this to try to protect him. they will never admit to using energy weapons, or mind reading technology to monitor society with, either.}

 

^{and that's the way this rolls. they only get in trouble if they admit to it. even if the whistle is blown, no one has to admit ######, and the prosecutors are going to go after the one blowing the whistle, rather than the government who committed the alleged act or crime. that is why this country is corrupt as ######, and nothing is ever going to get done about this, without sane people like me trying to expose it and bring attention to it.}

 

^{http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/428643/august-15-2013/nsa-press-conference-on-domestic-spying?xrs=synd_twitter_082513_cn_1}

 

^{Man, Obama LIES. though, right on Jay Leno show. haha.}

 

^{btw, if you want to learn how the government really works, stop acting like you know what you know, cause you don't know ###### about the US government if you don't believe what I've been telling you. you need to realize, that there is a part to a conspiracy theory, or a report about something that sounds crazy: the individual usually has no reason to make it up, and if it weren't for people like me, no one would ever find out about the real abuses going on. so you should stop trying to fight the truth here, guys, stop trolling around, and accept the writing on the websites, in the news papers, and from fellow  abuse reporters like me.}

[mudslag]

 

All I'm saying about this is, the head aches are worse as soon as the person wakes up directly from a dream. That implies that the cause is the dream, and the effect is the head ache. Every dream that the person has had through out the night wakes them up. It's a form of insomnia. That is all I'm saying at this time. Besides that information...

 

 

 

 

One, again you make a claim with ZERO supporting evidence. Two, dreaming is a natural state, just as sleeping, breathing, eating, drinking, ect, suggesting that just because you were sleeping, having a dream and you wake up with a head ache is out right retarded to say that the dreaming is the causation for the head ache. Its out right asinine to make such a claim with zero supporting evidence. I gave more then enough examples of possible causes for waking up with a head ache, which in reality is only a fraction of the possible reasons. So once again it needs to be asked of you, given it's your claim provide evidence or stfu. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Correlation is two separate events occurring between two different things at the same time, in different places that may or, may not be related. For example, correlation does not mean causation in that Remote Neural Monitoring may not be the cause of a persons dreams at night, even though the object or person is having dreams at the same time as most of the Remote Neural Monitoring articles talk of providing dreams to targets. My question is, who is corrupt and doing the targeting? Although Remote Neural Monitoring does correlate, it does not mean causation of the dreams. That means that no matter what, we have to stop the dreams, where ever they come from, in order to stop the head aches from getting worse. This is as public as you're going to get, as in any information about this persons situation for now.

 

Anyways, I have a clear mind. Users like some people on here who harass people, and type, trying to defy everything someone says don't sound very clear minded. If you don't accept the truth that someone tells you, it wastes valuable time. Not saying you should be too optimistic or anything and let people take advantage of you either. If something doesn't effect you, like someone else's dreams, and head aches at night shouldn't; Stop getting so excited about it. By using the word faith out of context, it could also mean hope for something. 

 

 

 

Obviously you thinking you have a clear mind is subjective. Making unsupported claims and copping out when asked for evidence then turning around and continuing to spew the same garbage its laughable at best. Anyone with a sound mind would reject such notions when unsupported claims are made. A clear mind looks for evidence, it does not willingly accept something without it. Just because you believe something is true, doesn't make it so. You spewing garbage without evidence is a "true" waste of time. 

 

Lastly your last line is a prime example of how out of touch you are. You are the one that brought up faith first and you used it in a context that was completely different then the very next time you brought it up. I simply stated a fact that the word "faith" is not limited to the use of god or religion. 

[mudslag]

[nullie]

crazy pills? like LSD, or psilocybin? :B the CIA used to drug people with that, innocent unwitting people on the streets of America. some people even committed suicide after incidents like this, not realizing they'd been drugged, and having mind blowing experiences. lol

[mkwzrd1260]

One, again you make a claim with ZERO supporting evidence. Two, dreaming is a natural state, just as sleeping, breathing, eating, drinking, ect, suggesting that just because you were sleeping, having a dream and you wake up with a head ache is out right retarded to say that the dreaming is the causation for the head ache. Its out right asinine to make such a claim with zero supporting evidence. I gave more then enough examples of possible causes for waking up with a head ache, which in reality is only a fraction of the possible reasons. So once again it needs to be asked of you, given it's your claim provide evidence or stfu. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously you thinking you have a clear mind is subjective. Making unsupported claims and copping out when asked for evidence then turning around and continuing to spew the same garbage its laughable at best. Anyone with a sound mind would reject such notions when unsupported claims are made. A clear mind looks for evidence, it does not willingly accept something without it. Just because you believe something is true, doesn't make it so. You spewing garbage without evidence is a "true" waste of time. 

 

Lastly your last line is a prime example of how out of touch you are. You are the one that brought up faith first and you used it in a context that was completely different then the very next time you brought it up. I simply stated a fact that the word "faith" is not limited to the use of god or religion. 

 

Well, you have to start somewhere, and this is a start. Remember this is a forum, not a scholarly journal. You're right, supporting evidence is important in any science experiment. Although at first, all you have is your variables response to what's happening. In this case, it's a person's response to dreams, so you document their response, then you run tests to back it up. That person's response has now also been documented here on this forum for you to see. You don't have to be a part of it right now, although you do seem interested in the subject. For now, what I have to share with you is this person's experience with dreaming, and that's them objectively getting head aches during, and directly after coming out of a dream, whether you choose to listen, or not.

 

Speaking of faith, like I said before, you can use the word faith in context with God and Religion, and like you said it hasn't been limited, you can even choose to use it to have faith in a person too. People have even been given the name Faith before. Have some faith. 

[FloatingFatMan]

That person's response has now also been documented here on this forum for you to see. 

 

Umm... .No it hasn't.  It's nothing more than just your word, and your word is neither reliable, nor gospel.  You're a known liar so you probably just made it all up for ###### and giggles.

 

 

You don't have to be a part of it right now, although you do seem interested in the subject. For now, what I have to share with you is this person's experience with dreaming, and that's them objectively getting head aches during, and directly after coming out of a dream, whether you choose to listen, or not.

 

 

Tell us who this person is.  Provide evidence that dreams have caused headaches in this person, provide sworn medical testimony that the headaches are caused by dreaming.

 

 

Speaking of faith, like I said before, you can use the word faith in context with God and Religion, and like you said it hasn't been limited, you can even choose to use it to have faith in a person too. People have even been given the name Faith before. Have some faith. 

 

 

We accept nothing without proof.  You have none, therefore you're lying.

[mudslag]

Well, you have to start somewhere, and this is a start. Remember this is a forum, not a scholarly journal. You're right, supporting evidence is important in any science experiment. Although at first, all you have is your variables response to what's happening. In this case, it's a person's response to dreams, so you document their response, then you run tests to back it up. That person's response has now also been documented here on this forum for you to see. You don't have to be a part of it right now, although you do seem interested in the subject. For now, what I have to share with you is this person's experience with dreaming, and that's them objectively getting head aches during, and directly after coming out of a dream, whether you choose to listen, or not.

 

Speaking of faith, like I said before, you can use the word faith in context with God and Religion, and like you said it hasn't been limited, you can even choose to use it to have faith in a person too. People have even been given the name Faith before. Have some faith. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Evidence, you have NONE for ANY of it. Come back when you do...

[ILikeTobacco]

translation.....

Dude... I hate it when that happens!

[mudslag]

This thread ranks up there with the one guy that tried to claim the moon didn't exist and the one that claimed the ball of ice once surrounded Earth. 

[nullie]

_{That's wh}

 

_{This thread ranks up there with the one guy that tried to claim the moon didn't exist and the one that claimed the ball of ice once surrounded Earth.} 

 

_{That's what it's like in your own little world. What I find ironic, is the attacks you trolls are using, apply to yourself more than me or the thread itself.}

 

_{Lets look here. What I think is, your posts are like the guy that tired to claim the moon didn't exist when it was up in the sky that moment. Because you're trying to claim electronic surveillance, mind control, and electromagnetic weapons don't exist, when there is plenty of evidence that they do. Our only problem is that the US government and military doesn't fully disclose these systems, but they do exist, and the information is irrefutable and backed up by plenty of other cross referecenable resources. As I explained. Plenty of information exists in other realms that proves it's real and being done. I mean, again, why does the US Air Force own patents on it, if they don't possess the technology to do it? Why do PhD experts say it exists? Are you trolls freaking that oblivious to reality? I do know, that none of you trolls have PhDs, and you make up everything you try to claim is relevant to this discussion.}

[Marshall Veteran]

This thread is riddled with about every violation in the book, thus it's run it's course.

 

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