windowsh8 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) I asked this in a different forum but no reply of any use but this forum seems to be chock full of brainy people so please help if you can, cheers. I actually like Windows 8 but wish I'd never bothered 'up'grading from Win7 simply because my games don't work. My PC aint bad Intel Core i3 CPU 3.20GHZ 7GB RAM 64bit OS, x64-based processor I've tried Warhammer Dark Omen & Shogun Total War both of which are old games and both of which flicker like crazy or just crash when a video plays..why? Warhammer has a file I clicked and it showed me this: It's not just old games, I bought two games from 'Steam' - Post Apocolyptic Mayhem: graphics look terrible, Elder Scrolls v Skyrim: too juddery to be playable. The games worked when I had Windows 7 and when I first 'upgraded' to Windows8 (apprently when you upgrade some Windows 7 stuff is left); since then I did a recovery and installed Windows 8 again; this time it lost all the old Windows 7 files it kept when I upgraded and thus I'm left only with Windows 8 so obviously something's gone that once made my games work. I've tried Compatability mode, no difference. I have 7GB RAM as I once had 4GB but bought some more. Graphic card Driver is up to date Here's my Spec: General Operating System Microsoft Windows 8 Pro with Media Center Central Processor Intel? Core? i3 CPU 550 @ 3.20GHz Graphics Video Adapter Intel? HD Graphics Video Memory 0 Byte Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Storage Total Memory 6.93 GB Free Memory 5.54 GB Total Hard disk 448.66 GB Free Hard disk 257.69 GB Processor MainBoard Central Processor CPU Name Intel? Core? i3 CPU 550 @ 3.20GHz Code Name N/A Manufacturer GenuineIntel Current Clock Speed 3200 Mhz Max Clock Speed 3200 Mhz Voltage 1.1V External Clock 133 Mhz CPU ID Intel64 Family 6 Model 37 Stepping 5 Socket Designation CPU 1 L1-Cache 128 KB L2-Cache 512 KB L3-Cache 4096 KB Motherboard Model imedia S3810 Manufacturer Packard Bell BIOS Name Default System BIOS BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc. SMBIOS Version P01-A4 BIOS Date 19/08/2010 Video Adapter Name Intel? HD Graphics Video Processor Intel? HD Graphics (Core i3) Manufacturer Intel Corporation Video Architecture VGA DAC Type Internal Memory Size 0 Byte Memory Type Unknown Video Mode 1920 x 1080 x 4294967296 colors Current Refresh Rate 59 Hz Driver Version 8.15.10.2858 Driver Date 09/10/2012 Runs Adobe CS5 okay yet cant even play a game made in the 90's! Time to stick my boot through it! Edited June 12, 2013 by John S. removed serial no at users request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You should try newer graphics drivers but I'm not sure whether or not it'll help, since Intel doesn't have a win8 driver yet from what I can tell https://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Graphics&ProductLine=Desktop+graphics+drivers&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+Core%E2%84%A2+Processors+with+Intel%C2%AE+HD+Graphics&ProdId=3231&LineId=1100&FamilyId=39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted June 12, 2013 Member Share Posted June 12, 2013 Your best option may be to go back to Windows 7. Raa and Torolol 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowsh8 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks, tried that but all I get from that site after running the Java thing is 'This device is unknown or unsupported.' for every item. Your best option may be to go back to Windows 7. I wish. My wreck came with Win7 installed, no disc so no way back :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redvamp128 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Have you tried Compatibility Mode? Also have you installed the Direct X? http://www.microsoft...ails.aspx?id=35 and the SDK http://www.microsoft...ls.aspx?id=6812 I know when I tried to run some DX10.1 demos -and a DX9 game it said there was no DX - once I ran it - then the demo's ran. after selecting Run in Windows XPSP3 compatibility mode Yet I could run all the DX11 demo's. The only other suggestion is creating a shim using the Compatibility Admin Kit. How to use site- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/getting-started-with-the-application-compatibility-toolkit.aspx Toolkit: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=7352 Sadelwo 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Try running the installer in compatibility mode. Games run fine on Windows 8, but that's the game you play when you upgrade, older things are bound to break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted June 12, 2013 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think deranged is right. it looks like your core i3 is the 1st generation and comes with "Intel HD Graphics". I checked the intel site and there is no Windows 8 driver to download. I"m guessing this means you're using the one Windows 8 installed which is a basic driver with no acceleration (likely) which explains why nothing is working for you. Does your laptop or desktop have a "genuine Windows 7" sticker on it with the OEM product key? If so, download a copy of Windows 7. You can find links to the official MS ISO images here (from digital river) http://www.mytechgui...river-download/ make sure you download the version of windows 7 your product key is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted June 12, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted June 12, 2013 ^ Windows 7 drivers work just fine on Windows 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I wish. My wreck came with Win7 installed, no disc so no way back :( There are multiple options available for you to get Windows 7 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_Blue Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 What does it say under Display Adapters in device manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Put a basic (or better) discrete graphics card in your PC and wipe your hands of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre S. Veteran Posted June 12, 2013 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2013 Yeah, adding a discrete card is your best bet at this point. There are some good options under 100$. ^ Windows 7 drivers work just fine on Windows 8. Not necessarily. Intel graphics drivers in particular will not install on any version of Windows they're not explicitely certified for. I'm unable to install the latest intel drivers for my 2009 Inspiron with Intel Mobile Series 4 graphics (GMA4500mhd), for instance. Aergan and Dick Montage 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcfan Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 you have to update your graphics driver. you cant get it from the intel site, since your CPU is so old, you have to use windows update to update it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aergan Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Shogun Total War runs fine on Windows 8 x64 - I would believe your issue is driver related and likely only resolved by adding a discrete card I'm afraid (as already stated). Intel drivers are signed and definition file locked for specific versions of Windows these days so unfortunately it's very unlikely you'll get a proper solution now or in the future for your on-chip GFX solution. Windows 7 x86 32bit based Intel HD GFX drivers might install for you on Windows 8 x86 but it might not fix your issue (and may introduce further issues). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You are trying to play Skyrim with Intel graphics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Som Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Here's my Spec: General Operating System Microsoft Windows 8 Pro with Media Center Central Processor Intel? Core? i3 CPU 550 @ 3.20GHz Graphics Video Adapter Intel? HD Graphics Video Memory 0 Byte Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Storage Total Memory 6.93 GB Free Memory 5.54 GB Total Hard disk 448.66 GB Free Hard disk 257.69 GB Processor MainBoard Central Processor CPU Name Intel? Core? i3 CPU 550 @ 3.20GHz Code Name N/A Manufacturer GenuineIntel Current Clock Speed 3200 Mhz Max Clock Speed 3200 Mhz Voltage 1.1V External Clock 133 Mhz CPU ID Intel64 Family 6 Model 37 Stepping 5 Socket Designation CPU 1 L1-Cache 128 KB L2-Cache 512 KB L3-Cache 4096 KB Motherboard Model imedia S3810 Manufacturer Packard Bell BIOS Name Default System BIOS BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc. SMBIOS Version P01-A4 BIOS Date 19/08/2010 Video Adapter Name Intel? HD Graphics Video Processor Intel? HD Graphics (Core i3) Manufacturer Intel Corporation Video Architecture VGA DAC Type Internal Memory Size 0 Byte Memory Type Unknown Video Mode 1920 x 1080 x 4294967296 colors Current Refresh Rate 59 Hz Driver Version 8.15.10.2858 Driver Date 09/10/2012 Runs Adobe CS5 okay yet cant even play a game made in the 90's! Time to stick my boot through it! Desktop or laptop? if it's a desktop buy a graphics card, you can get a cheapish one that'll make all the difference. Intel HD graphics is not for gaming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted June 12, 2013 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2013 ^ Windows 7 drivers work just fine on Windows 8. I have only one personal example but on a machine where i installed windows 7 intel drivers on windows 8, they installed fine but attempting to use a modern app would bluescreen the PC. Based on that alone, I would have to disagree with your statement, or at least modify it by saying "may not work in all cases on Windows 8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowsh8 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. It looks like I'm going to have to go without games because I don't have the money to buy a 'discreet graphics card'. @Ice_Blue - it says ' Intel ® HD Graphics (Windows says Driver is up to date) @Dot Matrix - tried compatibility mode all the way back to Win95 no good @redvamp128 - Got DirectX but tried those downloads anyway, no change Weird how the games (Shogun, Warhammer:Dark Omen) are very old and work fine on an antique but NOT Windows8..and that's progress is it Microsoft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Weird how the games (Shogun, Warhammer:Dark Omen) are very old and work fine on an antique but NOT Windows8..and that's progress is it Microsoft? And they work fine in win8 if you've got working graphics drivers. Very rare that anything working in 7 doesn't work in 8. Aergan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakO Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. It looks like I'm going to have to go without games because I don't have the money to buy a 'discreet graphics card'. @Ice_Blue - it says ' Intel ? HD Graphics (Windows says Driver is up to date) @Dot Matrix - tried compatibility mode all the way back to Win95 no good @redvamp128 - Got DirectX but tried those downloads anyway, no change Weird how the games (Shogun, Warhammer:Dark Omen) are very old and work fine on an antique but NOT Windows8..and that's progress is it Microsoft? Intel haven't released a driver compatible with Windows 8 for the 1st generation Intel HD graphics, blame Intel, not Windows 8. The driver is "up to date" but it will be using a generic Microsoft one rather than a full-featured driver specifically for that GPU. It's not just old games, I bought two games from 'Steam' - Post Apocolyptic Mayhem: graphics look terrible, Elder Scrolls v Skyrim: too juddery to be playable. Even if you downgraded back to Windows 7 (which Intel has a driver for) games like Skyrim would still be juddery, you'd only get about 5-10fps on low settings in Skyrim with your current GPU. Aergan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aergan Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. It looks like I'm going to have to go without games because I don't have the money to buy a 'discreet graphics card'. @Ice_Blue - it says ' Intel ® HD Graphics (Windows says Driver is up to date) @Dot Matrix - tried compatibility mode all the way back to Win95 no good @redvamp128 - Got DirectX but tried those downloads anyway, no change Weird how the games (Shogun, Warhammer:Dark Omen) are very old and work fine on an antique but NOT Windows8..and that's progress is it Microsoft? Shogun Total War works fine on Windows 8 and likely Dark Omen if you have driver support (Which is an Intel failing by the way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. It looks like I'm going to have to go without games because I don't have the money to buy a 'discreet graphics card'. Weird how the games (Shogun, Warhammer:Dark Omen) are very old and work fine on an antique but NOT Windows8..and that's progress is it Microsoft? A $30 card is sufficient for your need. Your definition of progress is, odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks, tried that but all I get from that site after running the Java thing is 'This device is unknown or unsupported.' for every item. I wish. My wreck came with Win7 installed, no disc so no way back :( If you have a key you can legally download untouched ISO's from digital river http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/14709-Windows-7-Digital-River-direct-links-Multiple-Languages-X86-amp-X64/page60 Raa 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted June 13, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted June 13, 2013 I have only one personal example but on a machine where i installed windows 7 intel drivers on windows 8, they installed fine but attempting to use a modern app would bluescreen the PC. Based on that alone, I would have to disagree with your statement, or at least modify it by saying "may not work in all cases on Windows 8" :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briangw Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Speaking of Windows 8 and gaming....anyone know how to prevent the mouse from leaving the first monitor of a two monitor configuration, going to the second monitor in a game when you move the mouse to the edge of the screen? I don't recall that in Win 7 and so far noticed in on Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes and Walking Dead on Steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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