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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:14

Don't know, I found another version of it...

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Not sure what "Hacked after it was closed" means.

This should answer that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4loZGYqaZ7I


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:32

The "Hack after it was closed" was reffering to PS3 and the removal of Linux,not PS2.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:02

Don't know, I found another version of it...

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Not sure what "Hacked after it was closed" means.

This should answer that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4loZGYqaZ7I


that table isn't entirely accurate. 360 hacked for linux and homebrew... eh no. it was hacked for piracy, I have seen noone running linux on it, and extremely little homebrew. also if the dvd drive hadn't been løeft out of the hypervisor, it wouldn't have been hacked in the first place.

Lest gen was almost hack proof. Next gen is going to take the next step and be even harder to hack.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:56

xbox one being hacked or not also largely depend on how attractive xbox one to be hacked,
and i must agree with hawkman, I can see that MS will try to discourages any homebrew for xbox one, as that are the major vector of hackability.

xbox one games probably need to signed with both 'approved publisher' certificates & microsoft certificates, before it can be run on xbox one console.
Those mandatory connection every 24hrs can also be used to updates the list of valid certificates.

This also explain why MS instruct any independent game developers to works with those 'approved publisher', can't self publish.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:04

xbox one being hacked or not also largely depend on how attractive xbox one to be hacked,
and i must agree with hawkman, I can see that MS will try to discourages any homebrew for xbox one, as that are the major vector of hackability.

xbox one games probably need to signed with both 'approved publisher' certificates & microsoft certificates, before it can be run on xbox one console.
Those mandatory connection every 24hrs can also be used to updates the list of valid certificates.

This also explain why MS instruct any independent game developers to works with those 'approved publisher', can't self publish.


It should be noted that self published titles, even if they were allowed, still must go through Microsoft's own QA testing to make sure exploits and hacks aren't executed. Self published titles don't go straight on the marketplace.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:19

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it was hacked for piracy


Absolutely unfounded, and untrue.

I have seen noone running linux on it


Ah yes, the all seeing, all knowing HawkMan. How many peoples homes does your all seeing eye gaze upon?

http://www.free60.org/Main_Page
http://libxenon.org/index.php

Regardless, it's popularity is irrelevant, and it's outcome well known.

Lest gen was almost hack proof.


PMSL. It took 12 short months. And every time it was patched, it was hacked again.

Once the SMC/JTAG hack was blocked, we again had the naysayers proclaiming it was all over.

Not to long after, GliGli pops up from nowhere with the Rest Glitch Hack. Dirty, but devastating.

Same story with drive hacks, and the many new measures they have implemented over the years, (software, hardware, discs). Many in the know said that was over too. They were wrong.

I agree it will be harder this time, maybe much harder, but I stand by my 2 year max prediction.

Going off topic here (sue me), your views on the cause of RRoD are in the right ballpark, but also flawed, I've just never bothered to correct you.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:26

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xbox one being hacked or not also largely depend on how attractive xbox one to be hacked,


With the DRM measures they propose to implement, they might as well paint a massive target on their back. This is the exact sort of thing that attracts hackers.

and i must agree with hawkman, I can see that MS will try to discourages any homebrew for xbox one, as that are the major vector of hackability.


When have they every encouraged it?

xbox one games probably need to signed with both 'approved publisher' certificates & microsoft certificates, before it can be run on xbox one console.
Those mandatory connection every 24hrs can also be used to updates the list of valid certificates.


This also explain why MS instruct any independent game developers to works with those 'approved publisher', can't self publish.


Your point? It's just another security/DRM measure that people will look to defeat.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:37

Absolutely unfounded, and untrue.



Ah yes, the all seeing, all knowing HawkMan. How many peoples homes does your all seeing eye gaze upon?

http://www.free60.org/Main_Page
http://libxenon.org/index.php

Regardless, it's popularity is irrelevant, and it's outcome well known.


that's a rather ridiculous claim in the light of the article stating the REASON for the Hack was linux and homebrew. that's like a handful of people worldwide who use it for linux. it's obviously not WHY it was hacked. as for homebrew... you're pretty damn gullible if you think the handful of 360 homebrew is why it got hacked in light of the piracy.

Find 1000 random people with hacked 360's (that means not 1000 random people from some 360 homebrew forum, if you could even find 100 registered users there) and ask them what they use their modded console for. you'll find the overwhelming answer is not homebrew and certainly not linux.

As for unfounded. where any foundation for your claim that the 360 was hacked for homebrew or linux. and no, the statements from the supposedly well intentioned hacker doesn't count.

At least on the PS3 they're somewhat truthful, though they still include the homebrew, which at least the first generations of hacks couldn't actually do. and that was after they actually claimed to do it to get back linux on it, despite linux on the console being utterly useless.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 14:48

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that's a rather ridiculous claim in the light of the article stating the REASON for the Hack was linux and homebrew. that's like a handful of people worldwide who use it for linux. it's obviously not WHY it was hacked.


Huh? "Reason" and "Why" mean the exact same thing...

rea·son

/ˈrēzən/
Noun
A cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.

why

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Adverb
  • For what reason or purpose.
  • (with reference to a reason) On account of which; for which.

Your reasoning is... incomprehensible to me. The only person who knows the reason why he did it, is the guy that actually did it. And the history is there to show it was most certainly not for piracy.

To think people that smart just want to pirate games is ridiculous. In fact the vast majority are totally against it.

as for homebrew... you're pretty damn gullible if you think the handful of 360 homebrew is why it got hacked in light of the piracy.


The amount of homebrew available has zero correlation with why it was actually hacked in the first place. The eventual outcome is all too apparent.

In fact Microsoft were even informed of the vulnerabilities before the SMC/JTAG hack was released, but they chose to ignore it.

Find 1000 random people with hacked 360's (that means not 1000 random people from some 360 homebrew forum, if you could even find 100 registered users there) and ask them what they use their modded console for. you'll find the overwhelming answer is not homebrew and certainly not linux.


Again, your point is moot. Though you are depressingly correct. All the little ******* want to do, is run modded CoD lobbys :'(

As for unfounded. where any foundation for your claim that the 360 was hacked for homebrew or linux.


Like I said, the history is there for all to see. Interpret it how you will.

and no, the statements from the supposedly well intentioned hacker doesn't count.


But the statement from you does count? Give me a ****ing break, man.

At least on the PS3 they're somewhat truthful, though they still include the homebrew, which at least the first generations of hacks couldn't actually do. and that was after they actually claimed to do it to get back linux on it, despite linux on the console being utterly useless.


Blah blah blah.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 17:20

lol @ anyone who thinks consoles are hacked for "homebrew" or Linux.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:45

lol @ anyone who thinks consoles are hacked for "homebrew" or Linux.


gullible though. or is that cute...

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:55

Get real. The consoles are cracked for pirating games first.
The whole "homebrew" thing is just a legal scapegoat so that the hackers/crackers can pretend that they have good intentions.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 19:02

I would think the word ignorant is far more fitting (of those that think otherwise).

What ultimately happens with those exploits (by far less capable people), is another matter entirely, but that concept seem to be lost on some people.

Anyway, I am on my second bottle of vino, so I would be wise to let you talk **** amongst yourselves.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 19:04

Get real. The consoles are cracked for pirating games first.
The whole "homebrew" thing is just a legal scapegoat so that the hackers/crackers can pretend that they have good intentions.


but but. there's a website with a linux distro you can install on a 360, it's absolutely useless and no one uses it, but that definitely proves it hacked for linux. ;)

I would think the word ignorant is far more fitting (of those that think otherwise).

What ultimately happens with those exploits (by far less capable people), is another matter entirely, but that concept seem to be lost on some people.

Anyway, I am on my second bottle of vino, so I would be wise to let you talk **** amongst yourselves.



Good evening.


what ultimately happens.... the consoles got hacked, immediately there was piracy. months-years later there was a linux distro and the first crappy homebrew. both made as a proof of concept experiment.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 19:16

PS3 mostly avoided hacking because it was open / had linux option.
Sony didn't allow access to the gpu memory, and that spurred hacking some hacking to gain access to the other have 1/2 of the Ps3's available memory.
Once they found a potential hole, Sony overreacted (as in fix the exploit) and removed linux from the console with future updates.
This had an effect like throwing down the gauntlet challenges to hackers, which kindly responded in turn.

If I'm not mistaken, Sony has done a good job at blocking exploits on systems that are up to date, but the master hardwired encryption key was discovered / leaked so currently cracked PS3's can be "updated" to the current firmware level while still being cracked.