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#61 Lamp0

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 12:25

An innovation isn't nesscarily something that appeals to every one.

I mean, the Wii U & the Xbox One have potentially great innovations, but they are innovations I have little to no interest in.

I just want to play the games I like, the way I like. I only really ask for a new system that can enable games to do more.


It's surprising to see some people just eat up any positive spin Microsoft put on their DRM policies. It will be because of these people that our future generations will get comfortable with all the restrictions. Maybe Sony will give in and PS5 will have similar draconian measures. I see a sad future.


Oh please, that's ridiculously over dramatic & demonstrates a lack of understanding. Both Sony & MS want to eventually have digital only machines. They want Steam store like systems.

Microsoft are impliementing DRM to push digital purchases; make them more appealing so they can get that stuff down for future generations because, ultimately, digital distrubution is going away. Whether MS will succeed or not is anyones guess. Sony on the other hand clearly want to get the head start they didn't get last gen.

I wouldn't be surprised if PS5 & Xbox Two have no games using phsyical distrubution.


#62 BajiRav

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 12:47

No mandatory DRM enforcement, no mandatory connectivity needs, 50% more GPU power, faster video RAM... Well someone from this generation is refusing to innovate but it isn't Sony.

There is no groundbreaking innovations on either side.
Sony went with the PS3 model (or traditional console model)
Microsoft went with the Steam model (which brings all benefits of Steam plus some more minus the 30day check on Steam)

Both improved hardware specs that are not spectacular.

#63 soniqstylz

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 13:50

Wii U: Changing the way we play games with innovations of using a touchscreen on a controller.


PS4 already has that. It's called a Vita.

#64 OP Zedox

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 13:55

There is no groundbreaking innovations on either side.
Sony went with the PS3 model (or traditional console model)
Microsoft went with the Steam model (which brings all benefits of Steam plus some more minus the 30day check on Steam)

Both improved hardware specs that are not spectacular.


I believe Sony went the safest route (did I say that in my first post? I can't remember) while the other companies are taking risks. I believe that also motivated me to say that Sony isn't innovating. There's no "major" difference between PS3 and PS4. With the Wii U and the Xbox One, there are (of course major is relative).

#65 soniqstylz

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 13:56

Btw, can anyone tell me where the PS4's intake vents is? Every vent I can find is on the back, and if you put it in a shelf it would get hot as hell. I'm not saying the design wouldn't work, I'm just suprised. Smaller case and less ventilation with more GPU parts and higher freq. memory. I would guess it would need an intake, but I'm no product designer/engineer.


On the sides. Someone highlighted a pic in the Sony forums "PS4 design" thread.

#66 OP Zedox

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:01

PS4 already has that. It's called a Vita.


I personally wouldn't qualify it as it's more like an add-on (a $250 dollar one at that) but I guess so. Though Wii U did come out a year beforehand it seems more like a "tack on" to say you did it (like how they added the Six-axis for motion control...) more than an integral part of the experience. I respect your opinion though.

#67 soniqstylz

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:05

I personally wouldn't qualify it as it's more like an add-on (a $250 dollar one at that) but I guess so. Though Wii U did come out a year beforehand it seems more like a "tack on" to say you did it (like how they added the Six-axis for motion control...) more than an integral part of the experience. I respect your opinion though.


I've been advocating for Sony to create a PS4/Vita bundle, otherwise Vita will be dead in the water. It's a great machine from what I understand, and Ubisoft is going to offer integration same as their WiiU offerings. But sony laid the seeds for it with minor (if not at all effective) PSP to PS3 integration as well.

#68 vcfan

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:10

No mandatory DRM enforcement, no mandatory connectivity needs,

if you want to use these amazing innovative features pointed out by sony fans, such as the gaikai streaming,or remote play,and whatever else, guess what, you need to always be connected. take the connection out and what do you have? can you tell me? just a game console with updated graphics. that's all. you guys are promoting all these features,and they all require an internet connection,yet you knock xbox for only requiring you to sign in once a day to sync your licenses. ironic.

50% more GPU power, faster video RAM... Well someone from this generation is refusing to innovate but it isn't Sony.

it means nothing when the games presented didn't show any advantages graphically over xbox one, but had massive performance and framerate issues.

#69 MDboyz

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:11

How is that a bad thing? I like to use that technologies, so I must be fat? I can say the same thing. Instead sitting your fat ass on the couch playing games, you can get out there to play some sports or enjoy outdoor activities.

About saving money, does not matter how much money you have, you still want to save as much as you can.

People don't care as long as they can sit on their fat ass and not have to get up to switch a disc if they want to change game, or can save money by sharing their collection with their friends family.



#70 OP Zedox

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:15

I've been advocating for Sony to create a PS4/Vita bundle, otherwise Vita will be dead in the water. It's a great machine from what I understand, and Ubisoft is going to offer integration same as their WiiU offerings. But sony laid the seeds for it with minor (if not at all effective) PSP to PS3 integration as well.


I'm thinking if they make it mandatory (a la Kinect) because honestly...without stuff being mandatory, we're not going to get further (unless the systems update more frequently). Of course, that's a dream situation because the Vita is awesome but it's expensive.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:20

About saving money, does not matter how much money you have, you still want to save as much as you can.


+1! I consider myself a generous guy, but I would still like to save money. What is it they say? Saving money is what keeps you rich? =)

#72 Motoko.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:22

Sony built the PS4 without gimmicks and much use for buzzwords, it's up to the devs to bring out that innovation. Think about the Wii it brought casuals into the gaming world but were the motion controls innovative? I don't think so. I don't like this idea that MS is bundling in Kinect when it hasn't proven itself to be a rembrandt in changing how we play games. Sony was smart to do away with that and focus on better internals.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:28

Sony built the PS4 without gimmicks and much use for buzzwords, it's up to the devs to bring out that innovation. Think about the Wii it brought casuals into the gaming world but were the motion controls innovative? I don't think so. I don't like this idea that MS is bundling in Kinect when it hasn't proven itself to be a rembrandt in changing how we play games. Sony was smart to do away with that and focus on better internals.


But how can motion and voice controls or any other technology prove itself if nobody buys the equipment -> devs don't utilize the equipment ? I agree it's pricey, but someone has to "force" changes and take the blame for it. :-)

#74 benthebear

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:30

This is just a ****ing match that will never end. Both consoles...heck, all three of the next generation consoles are bringing something new to the home console market. Arguing about who did what first, or who did what better is a waste of time when you're discussing it with someone who goes to the, "Church of my favorite company."

#75 glen8

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 14:33

from everything I've read across the Internet, it seems all gamers want is better graphics and good games.

Sony has listened and produced a console for gamers. Microsoft have gone and put a lot of extra features into their machine, which I don't think anyone asked for.....or wanted.