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As long as what they're showing isn't misleading. The Xbox One UI demo has already been proven fake (it's not as smooth right now but probably will be in the end anyway), but something like the Kinect Milo demo is just flat out BS.

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This thread... really?

1) XB1 games and the XB1 OS were in development long before 8, more than likely these are Win7 machines running a virtualized test environment image set up for Win 7 machine long ago.

When debugging why would you want it running on the back of several different OS's? You wouldn't.

2) This is standard practice in the trade-show world, i will bet that all the major players were doing it, well those showing off software anyway.

3) You think the actual XB1 is finished?

4) Secure environment, no one can mess with a locked down virtual enviroment. Why hack your new XB OS to unstable bits, just run it on a full blown and easily manageable OS.

Hopefully people will see this is just standard practice since the dawn of time... i mean when i was a kid i went to a local computer shop to see some new demo of an Atari ST game that was being run through an Amiga. Not new news.

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you want to run mission critical on "tried and true" hardware/software (which wouldn't be windows 8).

I've seen comparisons saying app stability is far better in win8. This might not have even happened if it was...which is an amusing thought.

3) You think the actual XB1 is finished?

I would assume so since it'd have to be in manufacturing to reach hundreds of thousands of people at launch. I'd think they wouldn't open up preorders if they hadn't even started.

Software wise, perhaps not. Hardware wise, absolutely.

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Poor, poor windows8... all wonley and cold outside... :cry: /sarcasm

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Since its such a common practice (which it is) why would they hide that is not xbones in the cabinets but desktop PC's running Windows 7 with nVidia GPU's ?

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Although a known thing, I am not a huge fan of this tactic from either side, MS or Sony.

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"Just for giggles"?

We know you are usually misinformed (since you just come and post whatever comes to your mind in any of these posts), but you should really get your facts straight before posting here.

I suppose it's not easy to understand that these games have been in development for quite a while now. That means these games were developed under Windows 7, with tools designed to work in Windows 7 or previous versions. Have you played a PC game designed for one OS and then installed it in a newer operating system? ever? Have you seen the compatibility problems, and other issues they have? Well, starting development in one system and then switching to another one "just because it's modern" and "new-new-gen" is QUITE STUPID... expensive, both time and money wise.

You say I'm misinformed and yet you resort to vague references to past compatibility issues? Hah!

So much for all those Microsoft fans clamouring about how Windows 8 is compatible and is just "Windows 7 but better/faster" eh?

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I'm curious exactly what hardware those PCs had. Any info about that?

Still, it's very curious that they used W7 instead of W8, when the Xbone's OS is supposedly based on the latter.

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I think running demos on dev kits is fine, even if they have slightly higher specs. The most important thing is the system architecture.

Running your games on Windows 7 basically means you can demonstrate that 3rd party developers did a great job in writing just another DirectX game with controller support. Hardly anything "Xbox One" about it and it doesn't give you any indication of what the game will be like on the Xbox One at all. Running your games on a dev kit actually means you have your fundamental architecture working properly (with the shared RAM and everything). Huge difference if you ask me.

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I think running demos on dev kits is fine, even if they have slightly higher specs. The most important thing is the system architecture.

Running your games on Windows 7 basically means you can demonstrate that 3rd party developers did a great job in writing just another DirectX game with controller support. Hardly anything "Xbox One" about it and it doesn't give you any indication of what the game will be like on the Xbox One at all. Running your games on a dev kit actually means you have your fundamental architecture working properly (with the shared RAM and everything). Huge difference if you ask me.

The dev kit still likely has 2-4 times the RAM and a beefier processor though. Cause, you know, they need to actually use it to make games, not just to play them.

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Since its such a common practice (which it is) why would they hide that is not xbones in the cabinets but desktop PC's running Windows 7 with nVidia GPU's ?

1st: Because you want to restrict access to the hardware to avoid stealing of equipment or even worse, the game. And glass windows showing a dev-kit is really unnecessary and also easier to break.

2nd: The illusion that it is a Xbox One or PS4. Games are made on a PC, and the OS is running as a VM on the Xbox One, so it would be easy for MS to create a similar virtualization software to run the games at similar specs.

Don't worry about the games. Even though they run on PCs, they will work fine on the console. I mean, they wouldn't release a new console with games on launch date if they were lagging or not working.

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I thought it was obvious from the lack of Kinect 2 on lots of the game demo areas (especially the indie / new developer games).

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I guess people never would think that the PCs are probably running the same configurations as the Xbone.

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Why the hell is there so much underhanded press against Microsoft? Is it popular? The hipster thing to do, or what? Seriously, stop going out of the way to create fake stories and news.

Sheesh, everyone knows that dev kits and other PCs are used to run game demos prior to systems being produced and in the dev stages. This was news maybe a decade or more ago.

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Since its such a common practice (which it is) why would they hide that is not xbones in the cabinets but desktop PC's running Windows 7 with nVidia GPU's ?

Cause the content of all the cabinets aren't the same, depend son the developer. some are just computers running the SDK, other are early production test Xbox ones, others are Dev kit devices.

what's inside is of no interest, they're showing off what's on the screen.

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The dev kit still likely has 2-4 times the RAM and a beefier processor though. Cause, you know, they need to actually use it to make games, not just to play them.

2 times the RAM probably, no need for more than that, and no dev kits do NOT have better CPUs in them, they have either fully-clocked stock CPUs or underclocked stock CPUs or either but with extra debug ports direct to the CPU die.

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So porting will be easier?

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