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Xbox One AJ Interview w/ Major Nelson

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I just thought of something else too.. going on holiday we'd bring the console with us to have parties and play silly games and drink and have fun in the evenings if the weather was bad or we just didn't feel like going out to the clubs. Beachside/remote mountain houses, cabins, or condos don't always have Internet at all, and in hotels it can be expensive...

 

I dunno, if you're in WA I will assume (forgive me) Perth area? Nice place, that. And certainly one of the bigger cities in the country, so therefore some of the better internet.

Our office in Griffith, NSW had the 'net down for over a week; just came up sometime Sunday. It happens everywhere, but since you happened to be Aussie and this was such a recent event I thought it was worth mentioning. Brisbane area had fires, floods, etc that took them down for over 24 hours a time or two just a few months ago. It doesn't only happen to the US ;)

 

I think you missed his point. it wasn't that such events happened, but the fear that you might be without internet a few days.

 

and honestly, when I go on vacation, I'm going to go somewhere and do stuff that doesn't require me bringing an xbox. I'll bathe, visit places, eat out, walk around, enjoy the place. not sit in the hotel room playing xbox :)

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In a natural disaster like you'd just mentioned, I would be more concerned about other important things, than logging onto my console to play games. While I did live in Perth, I've travelled all over Australia and had internet almost everywhere with a Telstra mobile hotspot. Pretty cheap and certainly would be enough to do the "heartbeat" check. I assume that places like the USA would have mobile internet. Currently I'm in the UK and again there are very few places I've been here that do not have some form of internet connection to permit a tiny connection

Most places in the US do have the Internet, although in a lot of cases it's just more of PITA than it's worth to set it up. So sure, it could send 100kb, but why should I have to.

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I think you missed his point. it wasn't that such events happened, but the fear that you might be without internet a few days.

 

and honestly, when I go on vacation, I'm going to go somewhere and do stuff that doesn't require me bringing an xbox. I'll bathe, visit places, eat out, walk around, enjoy the place. not sit in the hotel room playing xbox :)

 

It's not "fear". it's wanting to use the product that we paid for, regardless of arbitrary, artificially "required" external services. I don't think Charisma, or anyone else is literally worrying about the internet going down. It's all about our right as consumers to use things we own as we see fit.

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It's not "fear". it's wanting to use the product that we paid for, regardless of arbitrary, artificially "required" external services. I don't think Charisma, or anyone else is literally worrying about the internet going down. It's all about our right as consumers to use things we own as we see fit.

Thank you. Common sense :)

 

(One small point--of course you're on holiday to do things besides sit in the hotel, but sometimes it rains, plans get cancelled, people are too hung over to go out again... or you're just usually a working/busy person and included in this holiday is your opportunity to sit around playing games with friends and being carefree. Point is, I--and everyone else; I see a lot of "this is my personal scenario" but no acknowledgement of others in different situations--should be allowed to do what I want with it in this respect.)

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It's not "fear". it's wanting to use the product that we paid for, regardless of arbitrary, artificially "required" external services. I don't think Charisma, or anyone else is literally worrying about the internet going down. It's all about our right as consumers to use things we own as we see fit.

 

Lots of things you paid for come with some sort of requirement, the Xbox One isn't any different.   Any device that has a service behind it has them and has DRM of some sort.  This whole argument about "I want to use it the way I want to" doesn't fly.      People should be aware of the restrictions before hand, and if you don't agree with them then you don't get the product.  The maker of the product can do and set what restrictions they want on it.    Look at any Apple product.  Look at other services out there.   

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Thank you. Common sense :)

 

(One small point--of course you're on holiday to do things besides sit in the hotel, but sometimes it rains, plans get cancelled, people are too hung over to go out again... or you're just usually a working/busy person and included in this holiday is your opportunity to sit around playing games with friends and being carefree. Point is, I--and everyone else; I see a lot of "this is my personal scenario" but no acknowledgement of others in different situations--should be allowed to do what I want with it in this respect.)

Lets take that and imagine the benefits of this scheme. If for some reason you have taken a games console on holiday with you, you'd no longer need to pack any discs, no need to worry if you forgot to bring a favourite game or whatever. People are more and more connected now than ever before, even with smarthphones, tablets and all sorts of other devices, being able to use them to make things a bit more convenient in the long run, is a bonus. If you're on holiday in a place with a good internet connection, and with friends whom all have Xbox Ones, you suddenly have access to all of their games too. One console, no discs.

 

That benefit is one of the many that makes me accept the online check in, while I agree they should have a redundancy in place for disc based games, allowing the physical object to provide the check, this would not always be possible. I for one have about 6 games on demand that I bought via Xbox Live, and a similar amount on my PS3, I cannot trade them, I cannot sell them, and I require an internet connection to allow me to play them. This new system is no different for my usage, which I get isn't reflective of the majority

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It's not "fear". it's wanting to use the product that we paid for, regardless of arbitrary, artificially "required" external services. I don't think Charisma, or anyone else is literally worrying about the internet going down. It's all about our right as consumers to use things we own as we see fit.

The Xbox One is an online device.  So if you are purchasing it, you are paying to get an online device.  Thus, you are getting what you paid for.  It's not like they are hiding this fact to trick you into buying it to take you money.  They are being upfront, so if you buy it, you know exactly what you are getting.

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Of course there are pros and cons. This will be fine for some. Just diminishes their available pool of customers somewhat. Let's say a lot of people who can't/won't buy this console go for the PS4 instead. They start building up an account, friends list, get trophies, invest in games, become a PS gamer instead. Some of those will just stay there instead of coming back to Xbox once the next-gen console comes out, or their connectivity situation changes, or whatever. So that's a base of lost customers... Maybe a small one? Maybe not? But loss is loss.

 

I'm not here to convince anybody not to buy something they want, or whatever... I'm just explaining why I won't, and also on a broader scale why I think it's a bad move for Microsoft in the long run.

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Lets take that and imagine the benefits of this scheme. If for some reason you have taken a games console on holiday with you, you'd no longer need to pack any discs, no need to worry if you forgot to bring a favourite game or whatever. People are more and more connected now than ever before, even with smarthphones, tablets and all sorts of other devices, being able to use them to make things a bit more convenient in the long run, is a bonus. If you're on holiday in a place with a good internet connection, and with friends whom all have Xbox Ones, you suddenly have access to all of their games too. One console, no discs.

 

That benefit is one of the many that makes me accept the online check in, while I agree they should have a redundancy in place for disc based games, allowing the physical object to provide the check, this would not always be possible. I for one have about 6 games on demand that I bought via Xbox Live, and a similar amount on my PS3, I cannot trade them, I cannot sell them, and I require an internet connection to allow me to play them. This new system is no different for my usage, which I get isn't reflective of the majority

Most of us will have access to the Internet but the issue is not being able to play an offline (single-player) game without connecting once every 24 hours. I'd be extremely frustrated if I can't play a game that I paid for just because I don't have access to the Internet. I know it won't happen often but that's not the problem. It's really a matter of convenience. Your Internet won't go down that often but when it does, and you happen to want to play a game, you're out of luck. The Xbox One is essentially useless for gaming if you don't have an Internet connection. The same can't be said about the PS4.

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The 24hr check bit could be tweaked, and I expect they're taking a long look at it right now.  But regardless, there's going to be some trade-off to be made.  You either have some type of check and get all the benefits that comes with it, or you don't and you get a locked down offline experience.

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The rest of the world never did the idiotic lock on tethering in the first place. that was a US thing. in Europe and the rest of the world, if your phone could tether, you could tether.

 

 

ummm how ? don't have a connection or not playing onine, then answer no to the update. and there you go you can play without update. if you're playing online, well then you obviously have to update and you're going to be connected anyway...

 

Nope, tethering is an extra cost option in the UK.

 

 

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On all carriers or just the ###### one, though I pretty much know the answer.

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On all carriers or just the ****ty one, though I pretty much know the answer.

 

All carriers.

 

You can get unlimited data plans on a few UK tariffs, but to have tethering it's either a more expensive plan, or an addon cost to your current plan.

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Nope, tethering is an extra cost option in the UK.

 

If Microsoft has the smart glass feature for phones/tablets interacting with Xbox One, couldn't they easily create a smart glass type app that would interact with Xbox One and authenticate online without tethering?

 

Also on the reddit interview with Major Nelson, it seems like they may consider adding "Offline Mode" which would disable family sharing and some other features whenever your using it.

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All carriers.

 

You can get unlimited data plans on a few UK tariffs, but to have tethering it's either a more expensive plan, or an addon cost to your current plan.

 

You can tether on Three's, One Plan.

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If Microsoft has the smart glass feature for phones/tablets interacting with Xbox One, couldn't they easily create a smart glass type app that would interact with Xbox One and authenticate online without tethering?

 

Also on the reddit interview with Major Nelson, it seems like they may consider adding "Offline Mode" which would disable family sharing and some other features whenever your using it.

That's not a bad trade off as there should be some benefit to being always connected.

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You can tether on Three's, One Plan.

 

Sure but it costs more than simply getting an unlimited data plan with 3. Sim Only, The One Plan is

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All carriers.

 

You can get unlimited data plans on a few UK tariffs, but to have tethering it's either a more expensive plan, or an addon cost to your current plan.

Not all carriers. EE and 3 allow free tethering in the UK on most of their plans (except the really cheap ones - not unlimited, but you can still tether towards your data allowance).

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If Microsoft has the smart glass feature for phones/tablets interacting with Xbox One, couldn't they easily create a smart glass type app that would interact with Xbox One and authenticate online without tethering?

 

Also on the reddit interview with Major Nelson, it seems like they may consider adding "Offline Mode" which would disable family sharing and some other features whenever your using it.

That's really the best way to do it, but at the same time they'll have to require a internet check when you first install the game at least.  After that setting a offline mode should be no issue.   I also like the smart glass idea, I have it on my tablet and on my smartphone so why not go through that to do a security check via 3G/4G.    We're only talking about 100kb as has been said.

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