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Microsoft really messed up here. Surely most of you saw my comments and probably assume I

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Ok great, but why not use the soapbox for this?

I'd ask a mod to move it to the soapbox before the thread gets closed

(Feel free to ask for this comment to be removed also, I only wished to give a heads up, and not rain on your parade)

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:s dem wall of text...

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You sound more EMO than IMHO.

 

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:s dem wall of text...

Sorry I wrote it in word.


You sound more EMO than IMHO.

 

[jerryspringfield]Here's a razor.[/jerryspringfield]

And...here comes the trolls  :laugh:

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Come on guys, he just wanted to sound off, it's was probably more for him just to get it off his chest, be nice

The world's messed up enough as it is.

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Microsoft is always damned if they retain something that people don't like, and damned if they don't.

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Come on guys, he just wanted to sound off, it's was probably more for him just to get it off his chest, be nice

The world's messed up enough as it is.

Thanks for understanding. It's been on my mind for the past couple of hours so I figure I write about it :)


Microsoft is always damned if they retain something that people don't like, and damned if they don't.

Well they manage to get Windows 7 right after Vista so I still have hope.

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Thanks for understanding. It's been on my mind for the past couple of hours so I figure I write about it :)

NP :)

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Thanks for understanding. It's been on my mind for the past couple of hours so I figure I write about it :)


Well they manage to get Windows 7 right after Vista so I still have hope.

Oh, you're one of those people? :P
Not sure where they got Vista wrong; a lot of the features almost everyone raves about were introduced in that operating system: Instant Search, Windows Aero, scalable icons, etc.

Anyway, sorry for going off-topic. I did not like a lot of what they were trying to propose with the Xbox One, but by changing course, they lost a good amount of innovations.

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Oh, you're one of those people? :p
Not sure where they got Vista wrong; a lot of the features almost everyone raves about were introduced in that operating system: Instant Search, Windows Aero, scalable icons, etc.

Anyway, sorry for going off-topic. I did not like a lot of what they were trying to propose with the Xbox One, but by changing course, they lost a good amount of innovations.

I have nothing against Vista. Honestly I really liked it :shiftyninja: and it ran great on my system. Its sad that a lot of people saw the same features in 7 and were like WOW I like this feature (Start search) a lot....but it debuted in Vista :pinch:

I completely agree. I didnt like how they were going and being arrogant about it did not help either. I still hope they are working on new features for launch which both parties can be happy with. 

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Microsoft really messed up here. Surely most of you saw my comments and probably assume I

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Microsoft is one of the companies with the worst marketing/PR. Not only they pick the most retarded marketing choices they can, ignoring all sorts of early feedback from users, but they are also extremely slow and inefficient to answer the userbase.

 

It took them days to respond first to the Kinect-always-on/NSA-spying accusations and now to the online-check requirements and all they got from this is a reputation that has been permanently tarnished while Sony actually gets away with even worse restrictions on digital-distribution of games that will be the only future of games distribution. Another recent example: in 2006 they tried tying Vista retail installs to only one machine but they were forced to restore the previous reinstall policy after user backlash. What did they do then? They tried pushing the same retarded restriction with Office 2013. And, of course, the result was exactly the same (though they still managed to cut the allowed office installs from 3 machines to only 1).

 

It really takes some skills to never learn the lesson and to keep staying so out of contact with people demands, even a PR/marketing team made exclusively of sociopaths could have easily avoided this huge trainwreck.

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Microsoft really messed up here. Surely most of you saw my comments and probably assume I

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Most sensible post I've seen on here for some time. It's good that Microsoft have listened to customers and removed the DRM (would certainly have stopped me considering it). However I really don't get why they've removed it entirely. Why not disc in drive and it plays, no disc in drive and you must login for a check? Helps people get used to the idea and the (alledged) benefits, without making it a requirement. Choice, Microsoft, choice!
 

This is the new Microsoft. They've very much stopped thinking things through and replaced it with willful ignorance and a boatload of arrogance. And that's coming from a long-term supporter of the company.

A Fellow Staffordshire User :)

I do agree on the point you made, the main reasons I haven't dumped windows for a rival product is because I can't afford a Mac, and I've been told finding drivers and support for Linux is a nightmare

(That and I love win 7)

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So what do we have now? A newer gen Xbox 360 with all these cute TV features and no new gaming features

 

... The Kinect 2.0 integration seems to be a pretty big feature.Other than that, I honestly don't know what you can add to the gaming package. 

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I honestly believe within the first 6-18 months MS will look to implement a middle ground, they won't have spent the money they have building an infrastructure to support what they had and some good features like game sharing and disk-less operation to just simply abandon it in desperation for not loosing too much of its consumer base.

For me I understand the majority didn't like the DRM and the 24hr checking was far too draconian however the features it gave me (completely selfish) completely outweigh what we will have at launch. If there was an option to opt in to use it as it was designed I honestly think I would.

To give MS their due, I do think they listen to their user base, people had issues with Vista, 7 came along, people had issues with 8, 8.1 is addressing some of those. This time around they don't have time on their side so it will be baby steps to get to what will be a happy medium for all.

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I vote one of those 'feeling suits' you see in some sci fi movies and tv shows.

The ones where once you're wearing them, you in a virtual world 'do' things to pretty women and the suit replicates the sensations.

Geez I'm such a pervert :p

 

Hell I'd drop the PS4 and Run to get an XBox for that :p

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A Fellow Staffordshire User :)

I do agree on the point you made, the main reasons I haven't dumped windows for a rival product is because I can't afford a Mac, and I've been told finding drivers and support for Linux is a nightmare

(That and I love win 7)

Similar here. I'm on Windows 8, went all-in with the Modern/Metro features and used them solidly for the first 2 months. 8 months on and I've realized I'm basically using it like I did Windows 7. It isn't that Windows 8 is bad, just that there isn't anything great about it. /offtopic

 

I really want Microsoft to succeed. But... they keep promising me awesomeness and delivering me mediocrity. It isn't for a lack of ideas, but a poor execution of them. Then there is their PR...

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I doubt this will actually help their sales, PS4 fanboys have actually nitpicked the hell out of good feature. I've not seen one person yet say, now I can get an XBO. That's because the biggest real disadvantage of the XBO is the price. The DRM complaints were a circlejerk, something PS4 fanboys could easily pick out and say our console is better and not mention any of the benefits that came with it.

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They have screwed up, but not because of the reasons you state. They've killed innovation, the biggest change since the console has came out to drive digital games and a full digital game library has been killed. We're now stuck with a 360 with bigger specs because of bad PR and peoples inability to think and evaluate situations themselves.

 

Give yourself a pat on the back Internet. 

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I doubt this will actually help their sales, PS4 fanboys have actually nitpicked the hell out of good feature. I've not seen one person yet say, now I can get an XBO. That's because the biggest real disadvantage of the XBO is the price. The DRM complaints were a circlejerk, something PS4 fanboys could easily pick out and say our console is better and not mention any of the benefits that came with it.


I may get an xbox one now that they removed the drm. Not for $499, that would be stupid. My Internet is not the most stable thing in the world. And no i don't have any other options for isp's so the xbox drm was a huge turn off to it.

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A Fellow Staffordshire User :)

I do agree on the point you made, the main reasons I haven't dumped windows for a rival product is because I can't afford a Mac, and I've been told finding drivers and support for Linux is a nightmare

(That and I love win 7)

 

 

 

Don't know who told you finding drivers for Linux is a nightmare, but QUIT listening to them! Couldn't be any easier in Windows even!!

 

Definitely biggest turn off for me is and would be the price, and the fact I'm a PS person!!

 

Edit:

Just short of 4 minutes for this post to go through. Sheesh!!

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Don't know who told you finding drivers for Linux is a nightmare, but QUIT listening to them! Couldn't be any easier in Windows even!!

 

Definitely biggest turn off for me is and would be the price, and the fact I'm a PS person!!

 

Edit:

Just short of 4 minutes for this post to go through. Sheesh!!

Not just the drivers, (That I read here somewhere here) There's little in the way of support, so I've been told (of course I could be wrong in this again)

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So what do we have now? A newer gen Xbox 360 with all these cute TV features and no new gaming features. Between the 3 new Gen consoles the Xbox One really stood out to me mainly because all of these features. Xbox one could have simply kept the family plan for digital content and the shared library feature as well as allow used games. Which would require people to not be force to installed games to the hard drive if bought as disc. That way users can see the advantages of using digital content. It makes no sense to remove it completely like some of you might think it being a wise decision. We still have CDs for music and Blu-rays are still around. Perhaps in the next 4 or 6 years, yes I can see this happening. Clearly it is not time to remove disc just yet. Instead of thinking things through Microsoft obviously pulled a desperate maneuver due to the Sony E3 Conference.

In conclusion. Don't blame fans who wanted choice. Blame your precious Microsoft for their arrogance and greed for not allowing choice and middle ground. This pathetic attempt to beat Sony only made things worst IMO. Now we have people who feel screwed over and fans who feel that the new Xbox is nothing special now that its features have been stripped away.  We lost features, so do you feel that it

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