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#1 Zedox

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 00:28

...of digital only titles.

 

I believe one AAA game is going to take the risk of going digital only and have great profits (which is the biggest factor) to start the waterfall effect. Yes, we know digital isn't for everyone right now, and I don't think any publisher is going to take that risk on a huge game anytime soon (2 years time...maybe year 3). What I do think is when it happens, Gamestop would have wished that Microsoft kept the "old" policies of the Xbox One, which actually kept Gamestop and other vendors in the loop for trade in. With both Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo having the ability to download a game without any involvement from Gamestop, it effectively kills their business, unless they do some type of transformation, which I don't even think it's possible.  

 

Yes, physical discs aren't going away any time soon, but this generation will definitely start movement of digital only titles (I believe anyways) for AAA games. All we need to know how is...who's going to take the plunge.

 

What are your thoughts?




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Posted 25 June 2013 - 00:36

I hope Mass Cause (Mass Effect prequel) goes digital only and puts Gamestop out of business.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 00:46

I hope Mass Cause (Mass Effect prequel) goes digital only and puts Gamestop out of business.

 

I couldn't help but thinking: "The mass effect of Mass Effect on Gamestop..." after reading that. lol.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:41

I hope Mass Cause (Mass Effect prequel) goes digital only and puts Gamestop out of business.

 

 

Why? Decreased competition isn't good for consumers.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 06:55

...of digital only titles.

 

I believe one AAA game is going to take the risk of going digital only and have great profits (which is the biggest factor) to start the waterfall effect. Yes, we know digital isn't for everyone right now, and I don't think any publisher is going to take that risk on a huge game anytime soon (2 years time...maybe year 3). What I do think is when it happens, Gamestop would have wished that Microsoft kept the "old" policies of the Xbox One, which actually kept Gamestop and other vendors in the loop for trade in. With both Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo having the ability to download a game without any involvement from Gamestop, it effectively kills their business, unless they do some type of transformation, which I don't even think it's possible.  

 

Yes, physical discs aren't going away any time soon, but this generation will definitely start movement of digital only titles (I believe anyways) for AAA games. All we need to know how is...who's going to take the plunge.

 

What are your thoughts?

Stardock already did with Fallen Enchantress from what I know.

 

I don't expect many other publishers to follow suit, at least not for another 3-5 years.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:12

Decreased competition isn't good for consumers.

Of course, but GameStop's policy of undercutting publishers through used games is taking money out of the gaming industry and away from the developers making the games. There is plenty of competition when it comes to digital distribution—at least on PC—and that includes GameStop so I have no problem with physical media dying out and digital distribution taking over. For me that occurred years ago and I only buy physical media when it's cheaper and activates on DD platforms (Steam, Origin, Battle.net, UPlay, etc). The last physical only game I bought was Battlefield 2 and that was more than eight years ago.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:18

Of course, but GameStop's policy of undercutting publishers through used games is taking money out of the gaming industry and away from the developers making the games. There is plenty of competition when it comes to digital distribution—at least on PC—and that includes GameStop so I have no problem with physical media dying out and digital distribution taking over. For me that occurred years ago and I only buy physical media when it's cheaper and activates on DD platforms (Steam, Origin, Battle.net, UPlay, etc). The last physical only game I bought was Battlefield 2 and that was more than eight years ago.

GameStop and other retailers also provide advertising, work great for Christmas shopping, and so on.  I'm sure the publishers would love to cut out retail when it makes sense, but right now it doesn't.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:51

Of course, but GameStop's policy of undercutting publishers through used games is taking money out of the gaming industry and away from the developers making the games. 

 

Yeah, publishers hate gamestop so much they jump in bed with them at every opportunity to offer exclusive DLC and exclusive collector's/limited editions. GameStop is seeming less and less like the bogeyman publishers make them out to be.

 

There is plenty of competition when it comes to digital distribution—at least on PC—and that includes GameStop so I have no problem with physical media dying out and digital distribution taking over. 

 

A totally digital system on consoles wouldn't be anything like the on that exists on PC. There would be zero competition on console marketplaces, so the console makers would be free to charge whatever they pleased and we would have to like it or lump it.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:59

What's the benefit of going digital-only? There will always be people that want to buy a disc for various reasons. Maybe they don't want to waste bandwidth on a game download or want a disc so they could later sell the game or give/lend it to a friend or family member. I'm fairly sure you can download major games from Xbox Live or PSN so forcing everyone to download the game seems unfair.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:31

Why? Decreased competition isn't good for consumers.

Online Market <> Physical Game Market

 

You'd still have competition between online retailers which work on different models to disc based retailers.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:37

What's the benefit of going digital-only? There will always be people that want to buy a disc for various reasons. Maybe they don't want to waste bandwidth on a game download or want a disc so they could later sell the game or give/lend it to a friend or family member. I'm fairly sure you can download major games from Xbox Live or PSN so forcing everyone to download the game seems unfair.

I just found a bunch of articles over here pointing out that our games are trading quality for length or DLC or many other ways to extend the current sales model that not that many devs actually like doing.

 

http://www.edge-onli...rt-their-hobby/

 

So there may not be a immediate benefit to any of us to kill the used/retail market, but for the overall ecosystem it seems like it'd be a good deal.  I just (as I mentioned) don't see it happening in the next few years.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:50

Online Market <> Physical Game Market

 

You'd still have competition between online retailers which work on different models to disc based retailers.

The online market for consoles is controlled by one company for each platform. It's not like PC gaming where you have the option to buy/download a game from Steam, GOG.com, Green Man Gaming, Origin, and Impulse. The fact that PC gamers have the choice to buy their games from various distribution platforms forces them to compete with one another. That's why you see a lot of sales and bundles at low prices. The same can't be said for Xbox Live, PSN, or Nintendo's platform.

 

I just found a bunch of articles over here pointing out that our games are trading quality for length or DLC or many other ways to extend the current sales model that not that many devs actually like doing.

 

http://www.edge-onli...rt-their-hobby/

 

So there may not be a personal benefit to any of us to kill the used/retail market, but for the overall ecosystem it seems like it'd be a good deal.  I just (as I mentioned) don't see it happening in the next few years.

After reading that, I can see the benefit of eliminating the used games market. I didn't know developers lost a lot of potential revenue from people that buy used instead of new. We're still far away from going digital-only because of convenience and Internet connection-related issues (e.g. bandwidth, speed). If we had the same kinds of speeds and bandwidth in North America/Europe that people have in some parts of Asia, then we'd likely see a faster shift to digital over physical.

 

However, I don't think we'll ever see the shift to digital-only until consoles start shipping with 2 TB hard drives and the average download speed is 30 Mbps.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:57

The online market for consoles is controlled by one company for each platform. It's not like PC gaming where you have the option to buy/download a game from Steam, GOG.com, Green Man Gaming, Origin, and Impulse. The fact that PC gamers have the choice to buy their games from various distribution platforms forces them to compete with one another. That's why you see a lot of sales and bundles at low prices. The same can't be said for Xbox Live, PSN, or Nintendo's platform.

 

 

Exactly. I already pointed that out:

 

A totally digital system on consoles wouldn't be anything like the on that exists on PC. There would be zero competition on console marketplaces, so the console makers would be free to charge whatever they pleased and we would have to like it or lump it.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 09:00

After reading that, I can see the benefit of eliminating the used games market. I didn't know developers lost a lot of potential revenue from people that buy used instead of new. We're still far away from going digital-only because of convenience and Internet connection-related issues (e.g. bandwidth, speed). If we had the same kinds of speeds and bandwidth in North America/Europe that people have in some parts of Asia, then we'd likely see a faster shift to digital over physical.

 

However, I don't think we'll ever see the shift to digital-only until consoles start shipping with 2 TB hard drives and the average download speed is 30 Mbps.

A lot of people don't know.  And while it's not policy obviously and you'd think they wouldn't want to bull**** their customers, I have encountered GS sales reps in other cities that tried to convince me used game sales did kick back to the developers.  No, they don't, and I wish I could smack that guy upside the head without that just making both of us tools.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 09:18

As OP asked, 'what are your thoughts'

I'm not convinced on the idea, nor do I find myself all that interested, (no I haven't read the other replies)

I just feel that disc based gaming is more competitive as far as the 'cash in your pocket' goes, brand new titles, are x amount of money, they are that because stores compete for your cash as well as try to get the latest titles to the consumer, a digital copy, 'one could argue could be cheaper' as it negates the 'middle man' but for those who do not have great internet, they could be waiting until the following day for said purchase to complete downloading, (this is a valid concern for some, not all, I accept this fact)

 

And as far as older titles go, new consoles come with 500 gb hard drives

(at least in sony's case I know is user upgradeable, didn't follow the xbox topic so I will freely admit I do not know if it does or not, I'm sure someone here will put me right on this, and probably blast me for my ignorance, which is what normally happens)

That's great but what if the majority of users don't upgrade their hard drives and have a vast library? They'd have to uninstall games to make room for new ones, and in like me, you are the kind of person who goes back to older games bought earlier on in the year, you'd have to uninstall, redownload, install just to play it (this is where my slow and unstable internet arguement becomes valid) a user who suffers with bad internet would simply be frustrated to hell, all he/she wanted to do was play something because they felt nostalgic.

 

Then I have a concern about used titles, this is actually valid at least in the UK (As I'm from the UK I can only talk about the UK preowned market I'm sure user from their respective nations could give information on their used markets respectively) I can but a 3 week or even 3 year old title for a lot less than launch price as a used disc, but and I checked this, the same game (in this instance, need for speed most wanted)as a digital download one month after launch on sony  was still full price,  though they did lower the price soon after, but the point I guess I was trying to make in this regard was that the disc is quicker, cheaper, and available for when I want it.

As a consumer I'm sure we all want what we want, when we want it, afterall it is your money, you decide how to spend it, me personally, if I buy a new title, I want to play it asap, not wait 4 hours for a digital download.

 

Please forgive me if this has sounded off as a rant, this wasn't my intention, as I'm not a highly educated man I lack a certain eloquence, that readers and reporters here might be used to.

 

(Edit, afterthought

I fear the digital download could harm retail stores, maybe a full game as a disc, then offer the online multiplayer option as a code bought from the respective online store or given in a 'special edition' of the game like nfsmw or battlefield 3 for instance, 'just to meet you halfway')


Edited by Dushmany, 25 June 2013 - 09:32.