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Posted 25 June 2013 - 06:26

Transgender Female Olympic Athletes 'Castrated' in Order to Compete in Sports

 

Calls for a review of eligibility rules are growing after four top Olympic athletes were found to have the genetic make-up of males.

 

The competitors, who remain anonymous, were found to have XY chromosomes, which genetically define men, rather than the female XX.

 

All four females had internal male testes.

 

It is believed to be the first time that the genetic disorder, which affects about one in 4,500 people, has been found in competing athletes.

 

There have long been complaints from competing female athletes that a person with such a condition has an unfair advantage and can develop more muscle and aggression than their female rivals.

 

Scientists at hospitals in France said the athletes, aged between 18 and 21, were referred to them by the governing body, the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) after the London 2012 Olympics because they had shown abnormal levels of testosterone.

 

Too much testosterone in a genetically female (XX) foetus may lead to the 'masculinisation' of the external genitalia.

 

This may lead to a penis-like organ in place of the female clitoris, or even, rarely, wholly formed male sex organs.

 

All four athletes were allowed to compete after undergoing surgery to have their testes removed and plastic surgery to reshape their genitals.

 

However, Dr Gedis Grudzinskas, a leading gynaecologist at London Bridge Hospital, said the IAAF was "opening the door to abuse" if individuals with the XY chromosomes were not banned from female competitions.

 

"The surgeons have neutered these individuals," he told The Times.

 

"They have castrated them by removing the gonads, by which I mean their male testes, and they've had gender reassignment surgery. You could do that to any man."

 

The tests on the unnamed four athletes who are described as "tall, slim, muscular women" are from "rural or mountainous regions of developing countries."

 

The results were published in an American medical journal in April.

 

Professor Charles Sultan, head of hormonology at Montpelier University Hospital said: "These women are born with female genital organs... but they assume male characteristics at puberty with considerable muscular development, a man's frame and a testosterone level similar to that of a man. They have the chromosome Y synonymous with masculinity. They can have 25 % more muscular mass than their competitors."

 

The issue of gender tests is highly controversial. Four years ago, the IAAF ordered tests for Caster Semenya, the South African athlete, after she won a 800m race by 4.64 seconds. The results of these tests are still unknown.

 

There have been several high-profile cases of transsexual athletes. The most recent is that of Fallon Fox, an American mixed martial artist (MMA).

 

In 2006 Fox underwent gender reassignment from male to female, including breast augmentation and hair transplant surgeries prior to beginning her career in MMA. Following her first two successful fights Fox came out publicly as transsexual in March 2013 in interviews with Out Sports and Sports Illustrated.

 

Lana Lawless, who had gender reassignment surgery in 2005, won the Women's Long Drivers of America (LDA) competition

 

in 2008 when she hit a golf ball more than 228 metres.

 

In 2010 the LDA changed the rules to prevent her from competing in the competition again.

 

Watch Caster Semenya in the 800m final

 




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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:02

Only 4? Are they sure about that? :)



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 23:12

Only 4? Are they sure about that? :)

I hear ya. Some of them women could whip my butt with one hand tied behind his backs.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 23:14

Lana Lawless ?  snicker :laugh:

 

Why not DNA test athletes, beforehand ... ?



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 23:24

You'd have to blind to not know Semenya was more man than woman, I mean look at him compared to the real women he competed against



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 23:29

Quick, throw a turtle shell at her!



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 23:47

 

All four females had internal male testes.

 

How does that work? It's not like you just get a drive enclosure from Newegg and put them inside.



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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:15

lol so women complain that they are just as capable as men ? but they are getting annoyed cause some women have more testosterone ... lol make up your mind ... are you just as capable as men or not?



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 16:40

That dude looks like a lady....



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 16:47

Not sure why this matters at all. Women want equality right? Just as capable as men? If they truly believed that, there would be no reason to separate them in the games. I guess the games are sexist?



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 16:54

lol so women complain that they are just as capable as men ? but they are getting annoyed cause some women have more testosterone ... lol make up your mind ... are you just as capable as men or not?

 

I think this case is a bit different than what you're referring to. Equality in job opportunities, pay, etc is different than a purely physical competition, where it is fact that average males have a different muscular makeup and different hormones that allow them to gain more muscle and perform certain tasks better than the average female. In most areas of life a person is not competing against others for a prize based on something like that. Females are better at some tasks, males at others, but I think you're a bit confused about the goal of egalitarianism.

 

There are natural women who are stronger than men, sure, if she's trained more than he has. But a man and woman on identical training programs will look and be built differently and he will in most cases exceed her in strength. Just a fact. In that case yes, I suppose she isn't as "capable". Men aren't allowed to be admitted to maternity wards of hospitals either, because they aren't "capable" of childbirth, but that doesn't mean they're being discriminated against. It's just nature. :p

 

These people should be competing with other men.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 17:00

I think this case is a bit different than what you're referring to. Equality in job opportunities, pay, etc is different than a purely physical competition, where it is fact that average males have a different muscular makeup and different hormones that allow them to gain more muscle and perform certain tasks better than the average female. In most areas of life a person is not competing against others for a prize based on something like that. Females are better at some tasks, males at others, but I think you're a bit confused about the goal of egalitarianism.

 

There are natural women who are stronger than men, sure, if she's trained more than he has. But a man and woman on identical training programs will look and be built differently and he will in most cases exceed her in strength. Just a fact. In that case yes, I suppose she isn't as "capable". Men aren't allowed to be admitted to maternity wards of hospitals either, because they aren't "capable" of childbirth, but that doesn't mean they're being discriminated against. It's just nature. :p

 

These people should be competing with other men.

But its not anyone because women are now fighting for the right to go to the battle field but refuse to be held to the same physical standard in the military. It's hypocrisy. Either they are just as capable or they are not. That argument is saying that they are just as physically capable.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 17:04

But its not anyone because women are now fighting for the right to go to the battle field but refuse to be held to the safe physical standard in the military. It's hypocrisy. Either they are just as capable or they are not.

 

I don't think anyone who can't pass the physical standards should be on the front lines of battle, be they male or female. So in that case yes, it would be wrong to let someone weaker do it just because "equality". There are jobs females will be able to perform better than males and ideally they would be in those positions instead. In that case I say "look, is this about making some kind of stand, or about actually doing the best job you can and playing to your own strengths for the good of the whole 'team'?" Everyone brings something different to the table and that diversity is good, don't fight against it. :p



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 17:06

I don't think anyone who can't pass the physical standards should be on the front lines of battle, be they male or female. So in that case yes, it would be wrong to let someone weaker do it just because "equality". There are jobs females will be able to perform better than males and ideally they would be in those positions instead. In that case I say "look, is this about making some kind of stand, or about actually doing the best job you can and playing to your own strengths for the good of the whole 'team'?" Everyone brings something different to the table and that diversity is good, don't fight against it. :p

Believe me, I agree with you. Just pointing you the hypocrisy of it all.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 17:09

Believe me, I agree with you. Just pointing you the hypocrisy of it all.

 

I don't think the people here are being hypocritical. But if someone were jumping on this bandwagon for the sake of all the political correctness that's spreading like a disease these days, then yes, they likely are. :laugh: