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A San Jose court has denied Apple's attempt to add the Galaxy S4 to its patent case against Samsung. In a statement yesterday, Judge Paul S. Grewal said that adding a new product to the case would fly in the face of Judge Lucy Koh's previous instruction to minimize the scope of the lawsuit. "Each time these parties appear in the courtroom, they consume considerable amounts of the court's time and energy," he wrote, "which takes time away from other parties who also require and are entitled to the court's attention."

 

Apple's second US lawsuit against Samsung ? following a dramatic win in the first trial last year ? currently covers the Galaxy Note II, Galaxy S III, and Galaxy Nexus among several other phones and tablets. In mid-May, Apple proposed to add the recently released Galaxy S4 and drop its claim against another Samsung product, leaving the total number changed. It argued that the S4 presented a clearer threat to Apple's intellectual property, and that substituting it for another device wouldn't be unduly onerous.

 

But Grewal disagreed. Judges have grown increasingly impatient with Apple and Samsung's legal maneuvering over the past years, and the Obama administration has vowed to crack down on patent trolls and other companies that file unnecessary suits. In short, it's a bad time to convince a court that changing or expanding the scope of a patent case is a good idea. "Judge Koh has been explicit with both parties that this case must be streamlined, which requires reducing the number of products and patents at issue ? not increasing them," wrote Grewal. "The number of products may be the same, but as the court described, the potential disputes revolving around Galaxy S4 are greater than whatever product it will replace because of its late addition." He noted that because of the S4's recent release, it would also be harder to gather information about consumer preferences, sales, or marketing efforts.

 

In previous filings, Apple said that not being able to include the Galaxy S4 would force it to bring yet another lawsuit. Grewal, however, said that neither he nor Koh had been persuaded by this argument when Apple made it before. "Apple already needs to dismiss without prejudice several products from this case and so a new trial would be likely regardless," he wrote.

 

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/27/4469940/judge-denies-apple-attempt-to-add-galaxy-s4-to-samsung-patent-suit

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wish they would just give up and be friends

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wish they would just concentrate on releasing great innovating products instead.

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wish they would just concentrate on releasing great innovating products instead.

But Apple doesn't innovate.

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But Apple doesn't innovate.

And apple likes being a patent troll. They also don't seem to want to be friends with samsung. Apple... enough of this patent lawsuit business crap. All your doing is waisting the courts time.

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But Apple doesn't innovate.

"Can't innovate, my ass." --Phil Schiller, WWDC 2013

 

Obviously his definition of "innovate" is "take existing technology, but make it look pretty so you can convince people it's brand new."

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But Apple doesn't innovate.

 

Neither has anybody for the past 5+ years...

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Neither has anybody for the past 5+ years...

 

Plenty of people have innovated in the past 5+ years, including the likes of Google and Microsoft.

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Neither has anybody for the past 5+ years...

 

You can't possibly be serious?

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is this still happening? who cares....

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You can't possibly be serious?

 

Oh do tell...

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Oh do tell...

 

Kinect 1/2, Leap Motion, Occulus Rift and Google Glass are all innovations that instantly spring to mind in the last 5 years. I could probably think of more, if you would like.

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I thought this already ended its being going on for years. I just hope apple loses and learns their lesson.

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Kinect 1/2, Leap Motion, Occulus Rift and Google Glass are all innovations that instantly spring to mind in the last 5 years. I could probably think of more, if you would like.

 

This discussion is about phones...

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And this means more money to the courts as a result of the filing fees and such that must be paid to open a new suit.

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I know I'm most likely wrong, and this is nothing more than an opinion and I have no facts to back this up, but JESUS!

What the hell's going on, you can't compete so you sue for income?

 

Granted if Samsung are infringing on Apple's IP fair enough, but this is starting get silly and is hinting towards desperation on Apple's part from what I can tell.

But then I came here from this thread http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1163052-iphone-5-deemed-most-hated-smartphone-galaxy-s4-is-most-loved again I don't hate Apple, I'm indifferent, I'll simply buy what I liked at the time, (This is coming from someone who still thinks a Nokia N8 is a great phone, so an arguement could be made' what do I know.)

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This discussion is about phones...

 

App stores

Hand and eye motion sensors

The plethora of work in voice recognition

Augmented Reality

Very high PPI screens

 

Probably more

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App stores

Hand and eye motion sensors

The plethora of work in voice recognition

Augmented Reality

Very high PPI screens

 

Probably more

I think Apple was the first with an app store, when you compare to Android. 

Some of the things you said were already existing technologies - each company just furthered progress in the respective areas. 

High PPI screens is just an evolution of display technology. Apple started the PPI wars, but they're far behind compared to Android smartphones. It was bound to happen even if Apple wasn't in the smartphone market.

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App stores

Hand and eye motion sensors

The plethora of work in voice recognition

Augmented Reality

Very high PPI screens

 

Probably more

 

All of which has existed in other technologies long before it came to phones...

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All of which has existed in other technologies long before it came to phones...

 

I think you guys are expecting way, way too much. Phones in the last 10 years have gone from silly little feature phones to powerful computers in incredibly small form-factors. Games with visuals that even in 2005 would have been deemed visually appealing. Apps which have enabled businesses to become incredibly more dynamic and mobile.

 

So, yes, maybe those technologies existed before it came to phones, but isn't the fact that all these fantastic computer technologies are now available on mobile? Innovation doesn't necessarily mean something radically new, not always.

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I think you guys are expecting way, way too much. Phones in the last 10 years have gone from silly little feature phones to powerful computers in incredibly small form-factors. Games with visuals that even in 2005 would have been deemed visually appealing. Apps which have enabled businesses to become incredibly more dynamic and mobile.

 

So, yes, maybe those technologies existed before it came to phones, but isn't the fact that all these fantastic computer technologies are now available on mobile? Innovation doesn't necessarily mean something radically new, not always.

 

You're right, but that's not innovation.  That's evolution of technology.

If I take a toaster and build some radical form of it into a car, it's not innovation.  It's taking something that already exists and expanding it's capabilities.

 

Many true innovations die in the concept/prototype stage due to not being practical.

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