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#31 Xerxes

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:06

I used it for the details window that you could go to, and which showed information like VRAM that normally electronics stores wouldn't advertise. I'd go to each computer I was interested in buying in the showroom and bring up the details window in order to compare them.

 

Of course, in recent years, a lot of vendors have disabled desktop access and have instead displayed a custom app that displayed the computer specs, which wasn't helpful to me either.

 

That is a good point, I didn't even think of it like that! but yeah I've noticed that here in Australia too, the demo machines tend to be locked these days running a custom app with the specs or in some cases just locked.




#32 Richard C.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:17

That happens here too, however they do it the lazy way by having a never ending pps file running in Kiosk mode, so alt+f4 soon solves the problem :)



#33 McKay

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:26

I always thought it was a bit useless. My Desktop 2GB AMD 7770 scored 0.7 higher than my Laptops Mobile 1GB AMD 5650M.



#34 PGHammer

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 23:41

I always thought it was a bit useless. My Desktop 2GB AMD 7770 scored 0.7 higher than my Laptops Mobile 1GB AMD 5650M.

That is primarily due to the AMD HD57xx (and even HD67xx) not being that superior to the Mobility HD5xxx.  (Yes - I'm quite serious.  And I honestly wish I weren't.)

I upgraded (within the past week!) from Mobility HD5450 (despite its nomenclature, this particular Mobility part appeared in desktop PCIe clothing, primarily for HTPCs/SFF PCs, because it needed neither auxiliary power or even a fan) to GTX 550 Ti.

 

Typical video WEI subsystem scores for HD57xx are 7.0/7.0 (Windows 8, of course).

Mobility HD54xx has a typical WEI of 4.1/6.0 (same OS).

GTX 550 Ti?  7.1/7.2 (Driver 311.06 - older than mold).

 

In terms merely of application performance, GTX 550 Ti leaves HD57xx waxed - often severely waxed. (And as someone that has run nothing BUT AMD - and ATI before that - in terms of GPUs since the days of the original 3D RAGE, it's NOT exactly a fun thing to admit.)  The WEI differences are indeed in terms of feature availability - and those differences are reflected in a vendor-neutral way.  That is indeed why the WEI was useful.

 

However, the growing acceptance of Futuremark's benchmarking tools as a reference standard has mitigated,  if not outright mooted, WEI as a vendor-neutral benchmark tool.



#35 vcfan

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 23:55

maybe theyre doing something even better and from scratch in the final version



#36 +FaiKee

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:26

Seems it has not been mentioned here:

 

cmd(admin), enter: WinSAT /?

 

:)



#37 OP Jose_49

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 21:59

Seems it has not been mentioned here:

 

cmd(admin), enter: WinSAT /?

 

:)

I think I ran it once. But it disappeared quite fast, without showing the results. Anyone knows how to stop or create a log file?



#38 +FaiKee

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 00:22

I think I ran it once. But it disappeared quite fast, without showing the results. Anyone knows how to stop or create a log file?

Actually I have started a thread on this: http://www.neowin.ne...-show-your-wei/



#39 Mr Nom Nom's

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:48

That is primarily due to the AMD HD57xx (and even HD67xx) not being that superior to the Mobility HD5xxx.  (Yes - I'm quite serious.  And I honestly wish I weren't.)

I upgraded (within the past week!) from Mobility HD5450 (despite its nomenclature, this particular Mobility part appeared in desktop PCIe clothing, primarily for HTPCs/SFF PCs, because it needed neither auxiliary power or even a fan) to GTX 550 Ti.

 

Typical video WEI subsystem scores for HD57xx are 7.0/7.0 (Windows 8, of course).

Mobility HD54xx has a typical WEI of 4.1/6.0 (same OS).

GTX 550 Ti?  7.1/7.2 (Driver 311.06 - older than mold).

 

In terms merely of application performance, GTX 550 Ti leaves HD57xx waxed - often severely waxed. (And as someone that has run nothing BUT AMD - and ATI before that - in terms of GPUs since the days of the original 3D RAGE, it's NOT exactly a fun thing to admit.)  The WEI differences are indeed in terms of feature availability - and those differences are reflected in a vendor-neutral way.  That is indeed why the WEI was useful.

 

However, the growing acceptance of Futuremark's benchmarking tools as a reference standard has mitigated,  if not outright mooted, WEI as a vendor-neutral benchmark tool.

 

With that being said there are so many variables that give one a result and the result isn't always going to be the same each and every time it is run - you might have a very fast video card but the PCIe bus is aggressively saving on power or the GPU is aggressively down clocking to save power and reduce heat. IMHO the benchmark didn't really amount to a hill of beans given that the usual suspects kept shipping junk even with the WEI available so maybe the alternative is for the average person to pick up a few pointers from their tech savvy friends before making a decision regarding purchasing a new computer as to avoid any sort of problems.



#40 Chrysalis

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 14:35

Why are they removing features that were in Windows 8.0? First System images then custom Libaries not being shown by default and now WEI. :(

 

Microsoft have been silently removing features for a while, they seem to have lost it the last few years.  I also liked the feature.



#41 sjms

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 14:50

my guess is that its not a COMPLETE product with changes and improvements being done. this was done in previous OS previews. it will most likely be in the final upgrade.



#42 Ci7

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 16:34

my guess is that its not a COMPLETE product with changes and improvements being done. this was done in previous OS previews. it will most likely be in the final upgrade.

 

perhaps it would be integrated into Modern UI



#43 Dot Matrix

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 16:40

There's just no use for it anymore. Why keep it around?



#44 Lord Method Man

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 16:43

Wasn't it necessary to run WEI in order for Windows to recognize an SSD and configure settings accordingly and enable TRIM?



#45 Ci7

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 21:02

Wasn't it necessary to run WEI in order for Windows to recognize an SSD and configure settings accordingly and enable TRIM?

 

for win7 only perhaps

 

don't believe it applies to windows 8