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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:35

The next Dragon cargo flight isn't until Q4 so it won't help. Antares / Cygnus is probably after that given their slippages, and another ESA ATV is even further to the right because one just got there. The next Japanese HTV goes up from Tanegashima on Aug. 4.

The big problem is that Baikanur is at the proper latitude for Soyuz / Progress ISS launches without having to do a big dogleg turn, which eats into their already tight fuel margins. The Soyuz booster just isn't that powerful.

They're stuck.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:50

Do you know if NASA have a plan since they will not be able to use Baikonur for the next coupe of months.

 

Manned Soyuz rockets can still be launched from Plesetsk Cosmodrome.

 

Happy 4th of July!!!!!

 

Enjoy it! The Russian Intelligence already had their early Christmas present when they got a hold of Snowden's hard-drive last week.

 

Amateur video of the Proton failure -

 

Love the punch line: "let's get the **** out of here" :D



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:29

Manned Soyuz rockets can still be launched from Plesetsk Cosmodrome.

ISS orbits at a 51° inclination. Baikonur is at 46° N, requiring a 5° dogleg turn which is manageable for the Soyuz-FG launcher. Plesetsk is at nearly 63° N which would require a 12° dogleg turn go get to ISS's 51° inclination. Not sure the Soyuz-FG launcher has the margins for that. Shuttle did, going from KSC's 28.5° to 51°, but it was a Heavy class launcher. Falcon 9 can, but it's a medium-Heavy. Soyuz-FG isn't either.

Besides that I can't find any reference for Soyuz-FG or crew access at Plesetsk Site-43 unless they plan to use a cherry picker. Other members of the Soyuz family yes, they fly there, but not the -FG variant used for Soyuz TMA-M or Progress. Baikonur only.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:09

Bloody hell that was scary!

 

The delayed shockwave in the amateur video is just as frightening - if not more so - than the sight of the explosion itself.

I kept thinking to myself 'Here it comes, here it come...' then BOOM!

 

Apologies in advance for my ignorance, but have similarly designed rockets been used to launch humans into orbit, or are they primarily intended for cargo/satellites?



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:19

Proton is a medium-Heavy cargo, satellite and probe launcher. Russia launches crews only on the Soyuz-FG. This may change if they get the new Angara rocket family off the ground, and that will also bring in a new crew / cargo spacecraft to replace Soyuz TMA-M and Progress. Very Dragon-like.

What made this particularly bad is the fuel / oxidizer used by Proton: 600 metric tons of unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, both toxic as all hell. Even with a normal launch area livestock die.

Soyuz-FG, like Atlas V, F9 and later Angara, uses kerosene and liquid oxygen - far less toxic.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 15:17

This amateur vid is better than the news crew.  Better sense of height and where it crashed.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 16:39

Yup.

This is causing a big sh**storm too as major satellite outfits like SES are getting nervous. This was the 4th Proton failure in the last few years and these companies have payloads on site, not sure if they'll end up in orbit or subterranean. F9 v1.1 is ramping up, Ariane is $$ etc.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 22:12

nice 5th Element reference :)

 

on a side note, the Russian Space Program is really screwed. :/



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 03:26

Yup. They'd better ramp up the Angara program ASAP - and call in help if they need it as a lot of things in their manufacture & processing truely is screwed.

BTW: my count was off - this is the 5th Proton failure in the last 3+ years. Sad.

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 03:43

Doc, the comments on that RT.com site are pretty funny, I got a good laugh out of them. I just looked up the schedule for the ISS, and there was suppose to be supplies going up from Baikonur on the 24th of July. Then new crew on the 25th of September. 

 

Do you know if NASA have a plan since they will not be able to use Baikonur for the next coupe of months.

 

Space elevator.



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:03

Space elevator.


Won't work for any of about a dozen reasons.

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:09

Well, there goes Russia's attempt to launch Snowden into space to avoid the reach of the US government.  :shiftyninja:



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:24

Well, there goes Russia's attempt to launch Snowden into space to avoid the reach of the US government.  :shiftyninja:

:laugh:

 

What, you didn't know? Space belongs to the US government...

 

btw: in your latest sig, who's the folks under the X marks?



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:38

btw: in your latest sig, who's the folks under the X marks?

 

Bradley Manning and Michael Hastings, I believe...



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 05:16

Hey Doc, will the HTV be able to supply enough resources to the ISS, to maintain the Crew until the next visit? 

 

Or is there going to end up with an issue up there. 

 

It would be bad if the HTV had a failure.





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