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#16 Torolol

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:38

NoScript will block Google Ads. But just like those above, I still have the option of allowing/disallowing no obtrusive ads on 2.2.4...

and on top of that, use html filtering add-on/extentions (or proxy filter) to remove the html codes like this:

<noscript><img src="insert transparent 1x1 gif image, for tracking purposes, here"></noscript>

and it would be perfect. :laugh:




#17 +LogicalApex

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:54

How is the a problem exactly? Ad Block Plus was never started with the express idea of being a way to block ads for the sake of getting free content. It was setup as a way to allow you to opt out of the worst ads that used to be very common on the web. Video ads that auto start playing, full screen pop ups and overs that required manual closing, etc...

 

This new program is a win win really. Ad Block plus can allow advertisers who clean up their ads to be unobtrusive to be white listed, while still allowing users to opt out of even this. It aids us in getting the end goal accomplished of unobtrusive ads for everyone.

 

If you want to just block any and all ads (which I understand the need for that due to tracking cookies and etc being a problem as well) then you just toggle the box and you're good.

 

Are you worried that the box will disappear? It isn't a major concern. Ad Block Plus is Open Source and you can access the code directly. If they removed the option someone would just fork the project code and add the option back.


Are you sure the setting is gone? It still shows on my firefox with ABP 2.2.4.

 

There are several adblock plus clones (basically copy&paste of the code) around that were released in response when ABP added that option but I don't know if they can be trusted since copy&pasting somebody else's work is already pretty unethical to start with.

Err what?

 

Open Source projects are expressly designed so they can be "forked"...

 

Which is basically copy and pasting the code so that someone else can improve or maintain it in a new way. This is a key feature of open source and isn't "unethical"...



#18 Ned

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:24

This "feature" has been around for awhile now.  I think google only just recently got added to the list and that's why it's news now.  It's the only thing I can think of that makes any sense since this feature is months old.

 

Why hasn't anyone created a fork called adblock minus?



#19 francescob

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:27

Err what?

 

Open Source projects are expressly designed so they can be "forked"...

 

Which is basically copy and pasting the code so that someone else can improve or maintain it in a new way. This is a key feature of open source and isn't "unethical"...

 

When it's a simple copy&paste of the code, released with similar name and with just a checkbox removed, therefore zero improvements or anything else actually justifying the fork, I doubt that anybody would agree that it was a nice thing to do.



#20 grayscale

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:29

Wonder how long that option will remain, I went ahead and replaced ABP with a different ad blocker

That option has been there for months. It's only news now because of Google. 

 

Edit: Apparently, Ned beat me to it.



#21 +LogicalApex

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:33

When it's a simple copy&paste of the code, released with similar name and with just a checkbox removed, therefore zero improvements or anything else actually justifying the fork, I doubt that anybody would agree that it was a nice thing to do.

There is no rule stating that forkers have to make significant changes to the project they fork...

 

You should probably do a bit of reading on what forking is...



#22 +Chris123NT

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:33

I still have the option, but I do notice that it keeps re-enabling itself to allow certain ads.  Let's see how long it stays off this time.

 

My biggest reason for this is I hate the damn adverts on youtube.



#23 francescob

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 13:26

There is no rule stating that forkers have to make significant changes to the project they fork...

 

You should probably do a bit of reading on what forking is...

Are you saying that changing a single line of code brings such a big improvement to justify a whole project forking? No, it doesn't. Doing a simple copy&paste of the code, with only a checkbox removed, is just parasiting of other people's work without giving back anything to the community. Just because something is allowed it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.



#24 +LogicalApex

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 13:42

Are you saying that changing a single line of code brings such a big improvement to justify a whole project forking? No, it doesn't. Doing a simple copy&paste of the code, with only a checkbox removed, is just parasiting of other people's work without giving back anything to the community. Just because something is allowed it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Why are you claiming that I'm invalid?

 

I can fork Ad Block Plus, or any open source project, and decide my reason is simply that I want to add my name to the About Dialog or something and that is perfectly valid. Will anyone use my fork? More than likely not, but that doesn't make my fork in any way invalid. It is always valid for anyone to fork open source code for whatever reason.

 

The Ad Block Plus team will have rules as to what can be merged back into their code base (or pushed up stream), but that doesn't impact my right to fork their code...



#25 XP1

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 13:47

Secure Gateways are your friend.

  • No software to install
  • Works on any device with a browser even Smart TV's
  • Protects the entire network
  • Central block lists
  • VPN when your away from home
Do you have more details on that? What do you use? Any tips or links to instructions? How do you incorporate block lists?

#26 TPreston

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 14:07

I 2x hp dl160 g5 servers with TMG installed for high availibity but there are other consumer grade solutions like pfsense which is free and can run on any atom board with 2 nics or if you don't want a gateway pc/server (power usage) you can use a cisco ios router like the 877w http://www.cisco.com...080ab4ddb.shtml

In short any of the above will put you in complete control of your network so you can decide what traffic is allowed and what traffic isn't.

#27 SiCKX

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 14:17

LOL @ the usage of "sold out". As if they ever promised you anything and you paid some serious monthly subscription.

This teenager attitude that everyone should cater to you for free should stop.



#28 +Frank B.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 14:22

There has been a lot of controversy about ABP on the German part of the internet, started by this blog post: http://www.mobilegee...-werbenetzwerk/

 

tl;dr: Eyeo, the company behind ABP, employs 15 people - bit much for a mere browser add-on. The company finances itself by getting money from 'strategical partners' buying spots on the ABP whitelist. I don't have the time for a full translation now; essentially ABP or rather the company behind it has become shady. 


LOL @ the usage of "sold out". As if they ever promised you anything and you paid some serious monthly subscription.

This teenager attitude that everyone should cater to you for free should stop.

 

It's not about wanting everything for free - it's about the discrepancy between the noble goals of ABP and the deals made by the company maintaining it.



#29 Knive Party

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 14:30

am I the only one who's fine with this? I mean neowin ads are almost non intrusive and just doesn't bother me...  :s



#30 Max Norris

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 14:30

It's not about wanting everything for free - it's about the discrepancy between the noble goals of ABP and the deals made by the company maintaining it.

Eh I can understand the motivation to do this; just because your project is open source it doesn't automatically make the bills disappear.  A little shady mayyyyybe, but as long as the software obeys the settings that the user put in, they can whitelist whoever they want as far as I'm concerned as my settings will block it anyway. 

 

If the software were ignoring my rules and allowing certain things though anyway, that's one thing, but this? Meh.  Overreating to something that wouldn't affect people anyway if they actually look at the first screen it shows you after the installation, it tells you it's allowing certain things through by default. Done that for quite some time now.

 

Using the latest build from the developer, it still blocks everything, no drama and no fuss.  No removed options. Still the best ad-blocking addon out there.  (Well the Firefox version anyway.. Chrome and IE got a long way to go, but thats more due to limitations of the platform.)