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#151 ACTIONpack

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:18

WTF is this crap? a threat about how it's not going to drop the price.




#152 ahhell

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:30

So you can no longer talk on the phone while gaming, or talk to your friend in your house, or have a party?

Your nitpicking has hit a new high.  :rolleyes:

 

Obviously, the ambient sound thing is an option.



#153 xWhiplash

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:43

Your nitpicking has hit a new high.  :rolleyes:

 

Obviously, the ambient sound thing is an option.

 

It sounds like a nice feature in theory.  But who would use that feature though?  Your phone rings and you are dead.  It seems like a useless feature to me when you put it in production.

 

But anyway, that is not next gen to me.  It might be to you, but not to me.  I like enhanced graphics, new storylines, physics, game mechanics, and so on.

 

Everybody keeps saying next gen would be pointless without Kinect....why?  Why not offer a cheaper version for people that want nothing to do with Kinect?

 

The 360 has a 4G model....



#154 Showan

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:45

So you can no longer talk on the phone while gaming, or talk to your friend in your house, or have a party?

 

That would be freaking awesome... can you picture the difficulty...

Because you and friends are partying and the zombies detect the noise...

I have kids, my 2 girls never shut up...LOL.... thats truly next gen...



#155 trooper11

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:49

 

The PS4 gives me what I want.  A console with a controller to play games.  No add-ons that I will not use.

 

If Kinect is so great, people will actually use it without being forced to have it.  I do not see why it has to be forced.  If it is an amazing tech, people will use it.

 

Also, do you really think developers will support it like crazy when they also make a PS4 version of the game?  I doubt it.  It might just have basic stuff, but it will not be an amazing experience.

 

 

Look if you hate Kinect and the X1 games, then you know what your getting : a ps4.

 

Why you guys want to argue this round and round is beyond me.

 

 

Regarding Kinect being successful even as an add-on if its 'good', the problem is developer support. Here is the reality: No matter how 'good' Kinect is, it must have compelling gaming content to be successful. Developers will not give it a serious look if its unbundled. No content, no sell.

 

There is no way around it, MS had to make Kinect more of an integrated feature than an add-on so that developers saw a reason to try and use it. The only way we see Kinect actually get used in serious ways is to tempt developers with a large user base. I get it, some hate Kinect so much that they don't want to pay for it, but I think this is the logical step for Kinect to be more useful.

 

In general, the X1 and PS4 are gaming consoles with a strong launch lineup and great controllers. $100 extra gets you the Kinect feature that offers two input options for gaming and non gaming tasks (gesture and voice control). You can argue whether there are other feature differences, but for the sake of this post, I'll keep it to that. If $100 is too rich, or you just don't like the features/games of the X1, it makes your choice easier.



#156 xWhiplash

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:53

What the heck is going on lately?  I am getting both the Xbox One and the PS4.  Does that mean I cannot say ANYTHING bad about ANY of them?

 

Just like with Windows 8.  I bought it, and have been using it since day one.  Yet I received a LOT of crap for saying I did not like things.  It seems like we are in a "Sit down and shut up" attitude lately.

 

Kinect is just pointless.  I said I do not care if they bundled it.  Just allow me to freaking disconnect it and put it away.  I only have limited space for my consoles.

 

If PS4 required me to get the Eye and have it connected at all times, I would be annoyed at that too.



#157 trooper11

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 16:57

It sounds like a nice feature in theory.  But who would use that feature though?  Your phone rings and you are dead.  It seems like a useless feature to me when you put it in production.

 

But anyway, that is not next gen to me.  It might be to you, but not to me.  I like enhanced graphics, new storylines, physics, game mechanics, and so on.

 

Everybody keeps saying next gen would be pointless without Kinect....why?  Why not offer a cheaper version for people that want nothing to do with Kinect?

 

The 360 has a 4G model....

 

 

Wait, you say you like new game mechanics but you reject the ambient sound feature. That is a new game mechanic.

 

I get what your saying though, you prefer a next gen console that evolves the features you like. That means better graphics, better physics, new stories, and better gameplay mechanics that you like. Fair enough.

 

Both consoles look to offer you those things, but since you aren't interested in any game mechanics that involve gesture or voice control, its not shocking you would lean to the ps4. Why pay for something you have no interest in?



#158 trooper11

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 17:02

What the heck is going on lately?  I am getting both the Xbox One and the PS4.  Does that mean I cannot say ANYTHING bad about ANY of them?

 

Just like with Windows 8.  I bought it, and have been using it since day one.  Yet I received a LOT of crap for saying I did not like things.  It seems like we are in a "Sit down and shut up" attitude lately.

 

Kinect is just pointless.  I said I do not care if they bundled it.  Just allow me to freaking disconnect it and put it away.  I only have limited space for my consoles.

 

If PS4 required me to get the Eye and have it connected at all times, I would be annoyed at that too.

 

Ok calm down. First of all, I had no idea you were getting both. It sounded like you were trying to decide which to get.

 

Secondly, don't take it as an insult when I say get a ps4. I'm not saying that with sarcasm, I'm serious. Anyone trying to pick one has to consider these things.

 

No one should attack you for fair criticisms. For my part, I'm just sharing my thoughts on why things are the way they are. I thought you did say you wanted them to unbundled it, so that's why I was discussing that.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 17:12

NeoDom explained it. There was an AMA discussion with a verified Xbox One dev that said the Kinect 2 costs almost as much as the console itself. He didn't give specifics, since his credentials were confirmed, that's official enough for me.

 

The vita and eye would only be considered part of the "true" experience if every game used both in interesting, must-have-in-order-to-play/compete/finish ways. They are not, so they are not really part of the "true" experience.

 

They are supplemental experiences that you can choose to have if you want. (as they should be)

 

Options = Dust collection... 

Xbox Vision ... Optional... Dust collector

PS3 Eye.... Optional... Dust Collector

Kinect v1.... Optional.... Some dust/ some use...

PS4 Eye... Optional.... ???

 

If Im a Developer and I knew that the PS4, EYE, and Vita were in the same box no matter what... I'm going nuts with the possibility... 

This would even be better than Smart Glass (and I'm biased towards it)...

Every GAME just becomes that much better...

If you are going to put $$$ into R&D for these camera's they have to be mandated... I've come to realize this more than ever now...

 

All games have just become better rather directly/indirectly through Vita and Eye...and PS4...



#160 xWhiplash

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 17:14

Ok calm down. First of all, I had no idea you were getting both. It sounded like you were trying to decide which to get.

 

Secondly, don't take it as an insult when I say get a ps4. I'm not saying that with sarcasm, I'm serious. Anyone trying to pick one has to consider these things.

 

No one should attack you for fair criticisms. For my part, I'm just sharing my thoughts on why things are the way they are. I thought you did say you wanted them to unbundled it, so that's why I was discussing that.

 

Well of course I wish they would unbundle it.  If I have no need for it, its $100 wasted (or however much a potential Xbox One would be without Kinect).



#161 trooper11

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 17:25

Well of course I wish they would unbundle it.  If I have no need for it, its $100 wasted (or however much a potential Xbox One would be without Kinect).

 

So that's why I thought you were trying to pick one console to buy. $100 could be a deal killer if you don't have interest in the other aspects of the X1 or the games.



#162 BajiRav

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 18:23

So you can no longer talk on the phone while gaming, or talk to your friend in your house, or have a party?

You can do all of those things but the zombies will kill you and game will pause at a checkpoint. You should complain about checkpoints next.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 15:24

with the zombies game you might even be able to turn the kinect feature off for it and on at will, but itll bring a new depth of realism to the game. People want better gfx physics and all that but sometimes you dont get a good storyline, or some games can be graphically inferior but have a great storyline.  The AAA title usually have it all but why stop there why not have an extra depth of realism that youve never tried, for example you watch a horror type film like resident evil.... you could sneak around and be quiet but then there radios go off and the zombies come running at them.  Like in the zombies game your there trying sneak around... tbh boring thats all bin done and its boring as crap....BUT your mobile rings unexpectedly or you reach for your drink and knock your remote control onto the floor ala knocking off a spanner, kinect picks it up zombies hear and come running at you, something that isnt game planned and your in the fight of your life, hearts racing adrenaline booming... feels like your in the movies!!!!

 

Thats probably the whole point of it, most games if you want to you can sneak about and get round stuff easily and its boring but when unexpected stuff like that happens it can make it alot more exciting and i dont think people realise about the extra dimension to the game it could bring... holy crap i hate consoles but im thinking about getting one now lol. hate the game pads if i could plug a kb + mouse in id be golden!!

 

Omg even better say your watching your mate playing the game and your getting abit bored, shout up or accidentally knock someat off onto the floor to mess him up, laughs and giggles :D