Man, son set 7 y/o stepson on fire

[Azies]

I get what you're trying to say, but the justice system is flawed, (yes it's better than no system whatsoever) but for people like this, life in prison, only increases prison population, some prisons are heavily crowded, some are overpopulated as it is,  personally I think anyone who would knowingly do such an act, then film it no longer deserves to be called a member of society.

I'm not saying ending them is the right answer, but the alternative is also getting to the point where it's about used up.

 

I agree actually, there really is no way around it unfortunately.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Clearly, we have to redouble our efforts. I propose that all death sentences bypass the state courts and go straight to the US Courts of Appeal. Once they review it there's only one more step, SCOTUS, and they rarely take such cases on. Should cut appeal lengths from tens of years down to 2-3. Should also probably exclude death sentences from circumstantial evidence cases just to be fair.

I'm having trouble determining whether you're actually being serious. Are you trying to suggest that the US needs to work harder to increase the number of executions in order to compete with countries like Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia? If so, then... wow.  :|

[compl3x]

Who said fathers and sons never do anything together anymore?

[Gotenks98]

Than you guys are no better than the murderers themselves. This is the 21st century, there is no room in civilized society for savage vigilante justice.

I disagree. Its the lack of fear of death is why we have so much crime now. We spend too much on prisons and the legal system as a whole. If there is 100% evidence like the video that is mentioned in this thread there should be no trial. Punishment should be instant death. That will save tons of money instead of years of appeals and feeding these 2 in prison for what they did to this child.

[LaP]

I disagree. Its the lack of fear of death is why we have so much crime now.

 

Then explain to me why Canada violent crime rate is not higher ?

[compl3x]

I disagree. Its the lack of fear of death is why we have so much crime now. 

 

 

Except that's false. Capital punishment doesn't work as a deterrent; it never has*. There are plenty of countries where people are brutalized or executed for even trivial crimes but it has zero effect on crime rate. 

 

There is also the problem of how arbitrarily the death penalty can be applied.* Depending on who you are, where you are from, the politics of the time, and the severity of the case. The death penalty is never consistently applied.

 

Another problem with the death penalty is that a lot of prosecutors pursue it, even on flimsy evidence, because successfully prosecuting a case which renders a death penalty is considered a prized possession among prosecutors. It looks good on a CV. You only have to look at how many people are exonerated to realize the death penalty is a dangerous game to play.

 

 

I see plenty of examples of people who do awful things which make my blood boil and my stomach churn; that is a normal, emotional response. However, the problems with capital punishment make me realize I am satisfied my country no longer practices it.

 

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Gotenks98]

Except that's false. Capital punishment doesn't work as a deterrent; it never has*. There are plenty of countries where people are brutalized or executed for even trivial crimes but it has zero effect on crime rate. 

 

There is also the problem of how arbitrarily the death penalty can be applied.* Depending on who you are, where you are from, the politics of the time, and the severity of the case. The death penalty is never consistently applied.

 

Another problem with the death penalty is that a lot of prosecutors pursue it, even on flimsy evidence, because successfully prosecuting a case which renders a death penalty is considered a prized possession among prosecutors. It looks good on a CV. You only have to look at how many people are exonerated to realize the death penalty is a dangerous game to play.

 

 

I see plenty of examples of people who do awful things which make my blood boil and my stomach churn; that is a normal, emotional response. However, the problems with capital punishment make me realize I am satisfied my country no longer practices it.

 

 

Just my 2 cents.

Even if its not a deterrent at least if the person is dead they are not committing more crime and they are not sucking up resources. Kill them and be done with it.

[compl3x]

^ That completely ignores innocent people who might be killed by the system. How many innocent people would you be willing to see executed just to see guilty ones executed? 1 in 1000? 1 in 50? 1 in 10? Wouldn't 1 be too many?

[M1ckyB]

Totally sad.. To do something so horrific to a defenceless child is pathetic and i hope he gets what is coming to him..

[DocM]

^ That completely ignores innocent people who might be killed by the system. How many innocent people would you be willing to see executed just to see guilty ones executed? 1 in 1000? 1 in 50? 1 in 10? Wouldn't 1 be too many?

Upthread I suggested not using the death penalty where the evidence is circumstantial. Reserve it for when there is direct forensic evidence. There goes the vast, VAST majority of the issue. Still, there is no such thing as perfdction. An innocent lifer could be killed by a not so innocent lifer, probably at a higher rate, and crossing the street isn't that safe either. Neither is showering.

[Dick Montage]

eye for an eye

 

And all the world shall be blind

[MandateOfHeaven]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

 

I'm a bit surprised that U.S. States with the death penalty actually have higher murder rates.

[compl3x]

Upthread I suggested not using the death penalty where the evidence is circumstantial. Reserve it for when there is direct forensic evidence. There goes the vast, VAST majority of the issue. Still, there is no such thing as perfdction. An innocent lifer could be killed by a not so innocent lifer, probably at a higher rate, and crossing the street isn't that safe either. Neither is showering.

 

 

Even if you did that, ignoring the possibility of evidence tampering, you still have issues where the death penalty isn't applied consistently across the board.

 

Or, some victim's families have opposed the death penalty so you might be executing someone in the name of justice which the victim's families wouldn't want. Or if the person murdered was a well known as anti-capital punishment, you'd be doing something they wouldn't have wanted.

[DocM]

The victims or their families aren't the ones in whose name the charges are brought, the state is. You can't depend on the family for what direction to take in the criminal justice system. There are several cases, including a recent one here in Michigan, where the victims family didn't even want to testify because the perp was another family member.