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#1 moeburn

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:21

I very very rarely have the money to buy computer parts, so when I do, I buy Dos Equis long-lasting parts.  My 5-year-old Radeon HD 5770 1GB that I got for $200CDN plays almost all the latest games at near-max settings @ at LEAST 30fps, with some help from my Athlon II X4 620 @2.6ghz.  

 

But my ~8-10 year old WD 500GB HD with 40,000 Power-On-Hours (that's 4.5yrs of being powered-on) is finally starting to show some bad sectors (seven of them).  I don't actually know exactly how old it is cause I got it second-hand.  

 

So I just so happen to have $100 to spend on a brand new drive for my PC.  Now I'm thinking either a 128GB SSD (they have them below $100 at TD), or equivalently priced HDD.  The speed boost of an SSD is nice, but what I really want is lasting value.  I've read articles that say both; That lower-end consumer-grade SSDs in my price range last no longer than an equivalent HDD, and that some people are getting 100TB/10 years out of their 840GB SSDs with no end in sight.

 

So for ~$100, for maximum durability and length-of-life, would I be better off with a cheaper SSD or a typical HDD?




#2 threetonesun

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:31

So for ~$100, for maximum durability and length-of-life, would I be better off with a cheaper SSD or a typical HDD?

 

Well.... I would say it depends on how you plan on using it. For $100 you could get a WD Black, or something equally good, which I would expected to last a very long time. On the other hand, there's nothing saying a 128GB SSD is unreliable, but if you constantly have to swap data off of it, it's clearly going to be in use more than say, a 1TB drive.



#3 Astra.Xtreme

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:33

It's hard to find a quality SSD in that price range, but of anything, I'd recommend this:

 

http://www.tigerdire...5475&CatId=5300

 

You might want to jump on it fast though since that one is $50 more on Newegg.  Seems to be a pretty decent deal.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:34

Well.... I would say it depends on how you plan on using it. For $100 you could get a WD Black, or something equally good, which I would expected to last a very long time. On the other hand, there's nothing saying a 128GB SSD is unreliable, but if you constantly have to swap data off of it, it's clearly going to be in use more than say, a 1TB drive.

 

If I got a 128GB SSD, I'd be using it as my main system drive, with how ever many games and programs I could install on it, any other games would go on the dying 500GB (its dying, I know, don't care, its still relatively fast), and any videos/movies/music would go on an external HDD.  Every couple of months I might uninstall a 10-20GB game and replace it with another, but aside from that, I wouldn't be changing the data on the SSD very often.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:34

Modern SSD's should last years, and years unless you have some sort of abnormal ridiculously high write workload on them constantly. The samsung 840's are pretty decent SSD's too, I have two of them. The 256gb 840 (tlc) in my gaming desktop as my os/programs drive (my games are mostly on a dedicated WD black 750gb), and a 128g 840 pro (mlc) in my laptop as the only drive.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:35

If maximum durability and data preservation are important than consider getting two HDDs and putting them in RAID1.

 

For $118 you can get 500GB of safe storage.

 

p.s. if an HDD fails, data can still be extracted from it depending on the circumstances. If an SSD dies, all the data is most likely gone, unless it's just a controller failure.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:38

If maximum durability and data preservation are important than consider getting two HDDs and putting them in RAID1.

 

For $118 you can get 500GB of safe storage.

 

Hmm, no I don't care about data preservation.  I care about wallet preservation.  I'd rather not have to buy a new HD in 5 years, is all.


It's hard to find a quality SSD in that price range, but of anything, I'd recommend this:

 

http://www.tigerdire...5475&CatId=5300

 

You might want to jump on it fast though since that one is $50 more on Newegg.  Seems to be a pretty decent deal.

 

you got my hopes up, until I saw the ".com".  The ".ca" version says they're out of stock :(



#8 threetonesun

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:43

Hmm, no I don't care about data preservation.  I care about wallet preservation.  I'd rather not have to buy a new HD in 5 years, is all.

 

When would you like to buy a new one? :laugh:

 

Hard drives seem to be one of the few components which don't follow the bathtub curve. That is, I've never gotten a drive which failed immediately, or even quickly, but a lot of them have died after, say, two years. But, with mechanical hard drives (and SSDs, to some extent), it's usually a known manufacturing defect, or poor design choice (ala the "Deathstars"). If other people are getting good lifespans out of 840s, and you get one and it works... you'll probably get a good lifespan too.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:45

Hmm, no I don't care about data preservation.  I care about wallet preservation.  I'd rather not have to buy a new HD in 5 years, is all.

 

You said you wanted maximum durability and length of life. 

 

So what do you mean by that then if it's not about data preservation?

 

The thing is, when it comes to data storage, it's all about the risks and ways to mitigate them.

 

The length of life directly depends on the stress you'll put the drive under and the endurance of the materials it is made of, its quality.

 

With RAID 1, you have two copies of data. If one drive fails (and they all do sooner or later), you'll still have a backup.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:49

Hmm, no I don't care about data preservation.  I care about wallet preservation.  I'd rather not have to buy a new HD in 5 years, is all.

There is no way for you to know how long a drive (SSD or HDD) will last in your specific environment. There are a million factors at play (the individual drive, heat, usage, power cycles, etc.)

 

If you want a drive that will last the longest get a SAS HDD, but that is overkill I am sure. HDDs outlast SSDs because we dont yet have enough data on SSD reliability. So the spinning disks are the best choice if you hope it will last a super long time.

 

You should only be buying SSDs if you need the low access times they excel at.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:50

I would go with SSD over mechanical, especially if you don't need massive amounts of dynamic storage. While SSD has write wearout, you can alleviate that with proper config and resources and also many SSD's have spare capacity or allow you to allocate spare capacity to handle wearouts gracefully giving many many years of use.

 

Sadly, I rarely see a mechanical drive last more than a a couple of years these days

 

The 840 is a great SSD for 99 bucks.. very fast.  SSD's are probably the single most performant upgrade you can do to any PC with a decent CPU/GPU



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 16:53

I would go with SSD over mechanical, especially if you don't need massive amounts of dynamic storage. While SSD has write wearout, you can alleviate that with proper config and resources and also many SSD's have spare capacity or allow you to allocate spear capacity to handle wearouts gracefully giving many many years of use.

 

Sadly, I rarely see a mechanical drive last more than a a couple of years these days

Where are these drives?

 

I have drives over 5 years in age in active usage right now. In a 24/7 RAID 5 server setup with tons of DATA being written.

 

An SSD can buy me IOPS, but they can't give me reliability. We just don't have the data there yet and they have a rather finite write life. The lifespan of HDD platters is very very long.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 17:03

You said you wanted maximum durability and length of life. 

 

So what do you mean by that then if it's not about data preservation?

 

The thing is, when it comes to data storage, it's all about the risks and ways to mitigate them.

 

The length of life directly depends on the stress you'll put the drive under and the endurance of the materials it is made of, its quality.

 

With RAID 1, you have two copies of data. If one drive fails (and they all do sooner or later), you'll still have a backup.

 

Bingo!

 

That is correct. With RAID 1, you have two drives of same data copies. If one of the drives failed, all you do is replace the bad drive with a new one then copy the data over ...  you wouldn't worry about the lost data anymore.

 

It doesn't matter how long the drives last... it could die any time, no matter when.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 17:08

It's hard to find a quality SSD in that price range, but of anything, I'd recommend this:

 

http://www.tigerdire...5475&CatId=5300

 

You might want to jump on it fast though since that one is $50 more on Newegg.  Seems to be a pretty decent deal.

 

It's a really good deal imo



#15 spudtrooper

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 17:10

Where are these drives?

 

I have drives over 5 years in age in active usage right now. In a 24/7 RAID 5 server setup with tons of DATA being written.

 

An SSD can buy me IOPS, but they can't give me reliability. We just don't have the data there yet and they have a rather finite write life. The lifespan of HDD platters is very very long.

 

 

I've purchased more RED, Green and Black drives then I care to count at both work and home.  yet, even the first gen 30gb SSD I have still works..    If you stick to low capacity 300gb or less black drives, you may have better luck but come on, we'd be lying if we said commodity disks with large capacity are long lasting drives by any means.

The lifespan of the platter is incredibly long, but that's just a single aspect of spinning media..  SSD has had a ton of innovation these days and will have more. I wouldn't recommend buying used when new prices are so affordable and I can't for the life of me recommend high density spinning disks with the experiences I have had if lifetime is your goal.

 

If you need MASS amounts of storage and have more budget, then go Raid 0+1 with a NAS and multiple disks.. but be ready to be hitting the store and have annual rebuilds with commodity disks.

 

I've got synologies, deskstations and drobos that all have disks replaced almost yearly..    Our san with SAS is a bit better, but its funny how a SAN pushing its 3 year lifecycle is starting to spit out disks weekly almost yet its SSD cache is still performing admirably well..