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While a couple dollars doesn't seem like much, you need to keep in mind that Microsoft will be selling millions of Xbox Ones over the span of it's lifetime. Pachter estimates that it will be somewhere between $150 and $250 million. "Not enough to actually move the needle, but it will help their profitability," he commented.

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Sony earning $3 per Xbox One? Wow, Sony is definitely the winner this generation :D

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not getting it, does microsoft have to pay royalties to sony for each xbox? or is there sony hardware in the xbox? This thread needs clarification :p

 

edit: ok, bluray license. I wonder how much sony pays microsoft for things like fat support

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Not a bad one-time cost (which the end user is paying) for the bump from DVD9.

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So the only thing we know at this point is that MS is not making 2-3 dollars per xbox one sold. 

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The problem with Patcher's statement is that the $3 goes to the Blu Ray Disc Association, not Sony itself. Now, obviously, Sony is a charter member of the BDA, but its not the only one. Pionner is as important to the Blu Ray technology as Sony is, maybe even more important, as it was their DVR Blue that was the core of what became Blu Ray. I don't want to make any guesses at how much Sony would get when all is said and done, so I would assume its a sizable chunk, but far less than $3.

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OP really should have posted more or all of the article so we could understand wtf it was about.

 

 

 

edit: ok, bluray license. I wonder how much sony pays microsoft for things like fat support

 

 

 

On December 3, 2003 Microsoft announced[81] it would be offering licenses for use of its FAT specification and "associated intellectual property", at the cost of a US$0.25 royalty per unit sold, with a $250,000 maximum royalty per license agreement.

 

So, ###### all?

 

 

Not a bad one-time cost (which the end user is paying) for the bump from DVD9.

 

 

DVD9 would never have been possible for what MS wants to X1 to be. I remember the topic I made agessss ago asking about blu-ray in the next xbox and some people were adamant it wouldn't have one. Many lulz were had.

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Microsoft still doesn't really owe Sony any money.... 

 

Any phone running Android, the manufacture has to cough up $5 - $8 to MS for licensing rights

 

Sony now has to pay royalties on Android to MS...

Seems Microsoft was holding this card close to the chest... Because it never forced Sony to pay any royalty fees prior to 3months ago... 

 

Blu-Ray License fee & Android Fee seem to be a wash (well I think Microsoft still makes a few dollars though...)

 

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/zte-android-patent-license-microsoft/

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Only reason a normal every day part of business like this would even make any headline news is, fanboys.

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DVD9 would never have been possible for what MS wants to X1 to be. I remember the topic I made agessss ago asking about blu-ray in the next xbox and some people were adamant it wouldn't have one. Many lulz were had.

 I think it was pretty much a no-brainer when devs say they're reducing texture quality to fit a game on DVD and when the hottest topic is whether or not it's a big inconvenience to swap DVDs when playing or on install. But you know, hardcore supporters won't admit a weakness in their chosen platform until it is shored up ;>

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Any phone running Android, the manufacture has to cough up $5 - $8 to MS for licensing rights

 

Sony now has to pay royalties on Android to MS...

Seems Microsoft was holding this card close to the chest... Because it never forced Sony to pay any royalty fees prior to 3months ago... 

 

Microsoft doesn't own or make Android, Google does.

The royalties that are being payed to Microsoft relate to a patent owned by Microsoft which is used in the Android OS. I highly doubt it would cost 5-8 dollars per phone.

 

With that being said the PS4 doesn't even use android, its a stand-alone PS OS. I'm sure it would pay royalties for other factors considering its based on PC architecture and Microsoft has long standing roots in that field though.

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Microsoft doesn't own or make Android, Google does.

The royalties that are being payed to Microsoft relate to a patent owned by Microsoft which is used in the Android OS. I highly doubt it would cost 5-8 dollars per phone.

 

With that being said the PS4 doesn't even use android, its a stand-alone PS OS. I'm sure it would pay royalties for other factors considering its based on PC architecture and Microsoft has long standing roots in that field though.

 

Sony sells a lot more android phones than the total game console market sells game consoles. android licenses are much higher, android royalty licenses go directly to MS' bank account, unlike the BluRay Association royalties that do not go to Sony but to the BDA.

 

so you kind of misses his point. and yes, it does cost that much for the android royalties, in fact some manufacturers have to pay over $10, I believe HTC is the only one that got a deal as low as $5. 

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MS isn't part of the BluRay group, but don't they get royalties for the use of VC1? A lot of BluRay discs use VC1 as opposed to MP4 or MPG2. I think even Sony uses it on releases. I don't know if it amounts to 2-$3, but its something.

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MS isn't part of the BluRay group, but don't they get royalties for the use of VC1? A lot of BluRay discs use VC1 as opposed to MP4 or MPG2. I think even Sony uses it on releases. I don't know if it amounts to 2-$3, but its something.

 

Sony earns more from the VC1 than Microsoft, Microsoft only owns 2 patents of the 125 involved with the VC1 shell. 

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/14/microsoft_vc-1_codec_analysis/

 

Also H.264 seems the norm now and same as the VC1 it has multiple patent holders, including Sony and Microsoft.

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The fact you guys even bring up the BDA and multiple patent holders means that Sony probably ends up with a few cents and not a few dollars.  That's a huge difference in the end.  Look up the BDA, it has 2 parts, the board and the contributors.   Sony is just one of 18 total board members,    And they're not even listed as a contributor , which is an even bigger list.   Either way,  the license fee per unit will be split, and I don't believe it's split evenly but maybe it is, still, we're talking cents not dollars.

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Microsoft doesn't own or make Android, Google does.

The royalties that are being payed to Microsoft relate to a patent owned by Microsoft which is used in the Android OS. I highly doubt it would cost 5-8 dollars per phone.

 

With that being said the PS4 doesn't even use android, its a stand-alone PS OS. I'm sure it would pay royalties for other factors considering its based on PC architecture and Microsoft has long standing roots in that field though.

Microsoft makes as much as $15 off of handsets (based on who the manufacture of the phones is)...

I am very aware that there is no Android on PS4...

It's the fact that, MS just recently targeted Sony for patent fees right before the release of the console...

In other words MS, is letting Sony keep some of their own money... So basically Sony is paying Microsoft's, Blu-Ray license fees.. And still possibly owing Microsoft money... Or you just happen to thinks its an coincidence that MS waited till April (of 2013) or so to bring the patent fees to Sony's attention?

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 I highly doubt it would cost 5-8 dollars per phone.

 

actually,license fees vary between $5-$15 and maybe even more for some manufacturers per phone.

 

 

Samsung has agreed to pay Microsoft what could amount to hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties after it settled a bitter dispute over the Korean manufacturer's Android smartphones and tablets.

The technology giants announced an agreement on Wednesday about the use of Google's Android software.

Samsung will have to pay Microsoft a small fee

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VC-1 is barely used at all anymore on Blu-ray. MPEG4/AVC is the standard.

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IT's interesting how many different companies and organisations actually earn a few dollars and a few cents from each new product that hits the market. Be it a rival product or one from the company themselves.

 

 

Only reason a normal every day part of business like this would even make any headline news is, fanboys.

 

Actually until you, king of the Fanboys, came in here, it was just a bunch of people having a mature discussion about licencing and patents involved in the tech industry.

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