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#31 spenser.d

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:30

Sounds to me like they don't have time to finish the game so they are using connected console as an excuse to press an unfinished game to a disk that you can't play unless you download all the content that didn't make it in time to be pressed on to the disk. It has nothing to do with DRM policy.

Regardless of my opinions on Microsoft and Sony that is RIDICULOUS.


That being ridiculous is still your opinion though as most people are fine with it.


#32 the better twin

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:30

 

 

“So when you first boot up the game, we’re going to ask you to log in,” he explained. “And when you log in you’re going to get the Drivatars and you’re also going to get a whole bunch of content: tracks and cars. Our production schedule is such that we are putting them in as late as possible and that means making them free as downloadable content on Day One.

How generous of them to offer the rest of the game for free. TBH this isnt anything new. Devs have been cutting content from games to offer DLC later for years now and its a joke. People are happy to bend over and pay extra though.



#33 OP TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:31


I do see what you're saying but it's obvious that all this was already planned and good to go before MS reversed their 'connected' decision.

So i wouldn't blame the Dev team at Forza for that, i'd blame the whining 'toys out of pram' types that forced MS to reverse their decision in the first place, this Gen wasn't about finalized disc based games, it was about flexibility, a degree of which has now been removed.

I am not blaming anyone I am just dumbfounded why people are OK with downloading a multiple gigabyte patch on day one when everyone is going to be connecting to Xbox Live and downloading the same patch. You are paying $60 for half a game.

 

 

How generous of them to offer the rest of the game for free. TBH this isnt anything new. Devs have been cutting content from games to offer DLC later for years now and its a joke. People are happy to bend over and pay extra though.

 

The problem is its not optional DLC, it is actual game content that should have been on the disc that you can't play the game until you download that content.



#34 spenser.d

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:33

I am not blaming anyone I am just dumbfounded why people are OK with downloading a multiple gigabyte patch on day one when everyone is going to be connecting to Xbox Live and downloading the same patch.


I'm dumbfounded as to how you can't process the fact that we live in a digital world. We're a decade into the 21st century, having to download part of a game isn't a big deal anymore to most people.

#35 Nilus

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:34

I'm baffled that when you think about the amount of time they usually have to work on a racing sim like forza, and how long they've had to work with final xbox hardware, and the deadlines they would have to get something in for certification, that some people are bitching about having to download an update for a LAUNCH GAME to give them extra time to polish rather than simply cutting content and compromising the scope of the game.

 

Note how it is only the Sony die hards who actually care :/  Boring.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:35

I am not blaming anyone I am just dumbfounded why people are OK with downloading a multiple gigabyte patch on day one when everyone is going to be connecting to Xbox Live and downloading the same patch. You are paying $60 for half a game.


But you're still getting 100% of the game just via different delivery methods.

#37 OP TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:37

I'm dumbfounded as to how you can't process the fact that we live in a digital world. We're a decade into the 21st century, having to download part of a game isn't a big deal anymore to most people.

 

So you are happy with paying $60 for half a game you can't play until you download multiple gigabytes on a day when thousands if not tens of thousands are trying to connect their Xbox to download the day one system patch and then the day one Forza patch.

 

We all know how launches go when things have an online component that is required.

 

I'm baffled that when you think about the amount of time they usually have to work on a racing sim like forza, and how long they've had to work with final xbox hardware, and the deadlines they would have to get something in for certification, that some people are bitching about having to download an update for a LAUNCH GAME to give them extra time to polish rather than simply cutting content and compromising the scope of the game.

 

Note how it is only the Sony die hards who actually care :/  Boring.

Excuses, excuses. I think its pretty shocking at how blasé they are being about telling you they are shipping half the game on disk and the other half they are letting you download for free out of the goodness of their own hearts.

 

Also I've owned Xbox far longer than I've owned PS3, so yeah Sony die hard, try again.

 

 

But you're still getting 100% of the game just via different delivery methods.

I know I am just annoyed that I won't be able to play for 5+ hours when I get mine assuming the launch goes fine and the service doesn't degrade with everyone trying to download a system update then a massive Forza update.

 

The fact that people with better connections don't care and are just telling me to shut up because I am trolling is making me even more annoyed.



#38 kaotic

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:39

I am not blaming anyone I am just dumbfounded why people are OK with downloading a multiple gigabyte patch on day one when everyone is going to be connecting to Xbox Live and downloading the same patch. You are paying $60 for half a game.

 

 

 

The problem is its not optional DLC, it is actual game content that should have been on the disc that you can't play the game until you download that content.

 

It takes me about 10-15 minutes to download 10gigs. So yeah, I'm okay.  



#39 Blackhearted

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:39

I'm dumbfounded as to how you can't process the fact that we live in a digital world. We're a decade into the 21st century, having to download part of a game isn't a big deal anymore to most people.

 

What's more dumbfounding is that people are willing to accept paying for an incomplete product that cannot be used as it is in the form that you initially receive it. Whether we live in the 'digital age' or not is irrelevant.



#40 spenser.d

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:44

What's more dumbfounding is that people are willing to accept paying for an incomplete product that cannot be used as it is in the form that you initially receive it. Whether we live in the 'digital age' or not is irrelevant.


It is relevant. What's not relevant anymore is your nonsense about the "form you initially received it". You're paying $60 for Forza, and you're getting the full game, you just have to download some of it. In a digital age, its a nonissue. And for those that buy digitally, none of your arguments apply.

#41 OP TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:50

I feel sorry for those that have metered internet, what if they don't have the capacity to download however many gigabytes it is, they will have to wait a month before they can even play the game.

 

Some internet packages in the UK have a 2GB cap, the extra disc on Forza 4 installed 3GB to the HDD, if its bigger than that people are screwed.

 

Before people say "just upgrade your internet" not everyone downloads and needs unmetered internet. Personally I don't play multiplayer on any console.



#42 uMadRabbit

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:51

People are calling him a troll? How exactly is he trolling? He is entitled to his opinion which he expressing and like it or not we all have that right.

 

Just because he likes PS4 more than X1 makes him a troll..geez.



#43 +Nik L

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:52

I don't want to pay $500 for console and $60 for an UNFINISHED GAME.

 

Then don't!



#44 Blackhearted

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:53

It is relevant. What's not relevant anymore is your nonsense about the "form you initially received it". You're paying $60 for Forza, and you're getting the full game, you just have to download some of it. In a digital age, its a nonissue. And for those that bit digitally, none of your arguments apply.

 

You don't get it do you? You buy a disc, the FULL game(not counting later dlc, obviously) should be on that disc. That game that is on that disc should be playable and functional on it's own, as it comes. You shouldn't HAVE to go download half the damn thing off the internet,

 

Let me put it this way. If you went out and bought a car, but all you received was the wheels, the frame, and the body, And then after buying it you had to take that somewhere else and wait a while to get all the bits that make it work installed. Would you be ok with that? I'd guess you probably wouldn't(unless you're insane, of course). So why is it ok here? Why is it ok here to only receive part of what you paid for and have to go through extra, completely unnecessary steps to make it work as it should have out of the box?



#45 OP TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:54

Then don't!

 

The usual "meh" attitude. If people didn't kick up a fuss Microsoft wouldn't have done a 180 on the DRM. This is a discussion forum believe it or not and I will talk about whatever I want to talk about including Xbox One news explaining what I think the problem is and what I am or am not going to do about it.