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#46 Knive Party

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:46

You're right on point with your posts today. If I was you, I'd be watching your back for a moderator, I'm sure they're not too far behind. Go chill off before you do something you regret that gets your posting powers taken away.

:D Well its pretty true, you guys are like a circle jerk. And yes, i'm fine with you posting the link, but calling it "Scrooogled" speaks to the true nature of this thread. 




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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:47

How are these ads getting in the way?

 

 

 

When they distract or confuse the user, then they are "in the way".



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:53

When they distract or confuse the user, then they are "in the way".

 

So, they are not distracting the user...since they are put in a separate tab...and they are not confusing the user either as tells you why you are getting the ads. 

 

And that is not what I would call, in the way.  In the way is when they are placed in areas on the webpage that interfere with what you are trying to see, are to big, or popup.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:28

So, they are not distracting the user...since they are put in a separate tab...and they are not confusing the user either as tells you why you are getting the ads. 

 

And that is not what I would call, in the way.  In the way is when they are placed in areas on the webpage that interfere with what you are trying to see, are to big, or popup.

 

And how many users do you think read what's on screen before clicking?



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:36

And how many users do you think read what's on screen before clicking?

 

It pops up at them.  They are notifications designed to get peoples attention to inform them of whats going on.   If they do not read it, then it is the user's fault....no one elses.

 

And most people I know pay attention to what is on their screen.  I have my grandparents asking me things all the time and its normally about MS notifications.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:39

It pops up at them.  They are notifications designed to get peoples attention to inform them of whats going on.   If they do not read it, then it is the user's fault....no one elses.

 

And most people I know pay attention to what is on their screen.  I have my grandparents asking me things all the time and its normally about MS notifications.

 

So do Windows notifications, but we all know how many users never read them.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:41

So do Windows notifications, but we all know how many users never read them.

 

then again, the user cannot blame anyone but themselves for ignoring the notification.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:49

So do Windows notifications, but we all know how many users never read them.

The user refusing to read anything on their screen is not gmail's fault (or windows') fault.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:54

[quote name="techbeck" post="595834423" timestamp="1374580340"].
 

 
Exactly. GMAIL is not fully setup to support IE 11 yet.  I have seen that message before when using IE10 and other versions if IE.  It will change/go away.
 
/quote]

What if instead of looking for specific browser id strings they followed the standard and queried the browser what HTML5 functions it supported and worked from that. That's the standard and that way browser that fully support the page don't get falsely tagged as no supported.

By then google has a well known history of falsely tagging browsers as unsupported and even feeding them broken code instead of working code that gets fed to other browsers they "like"

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:58

How is this different than Spam Mail? Can Google's spam filter automatically filter out these emails?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 13:58

By then google has a well known history of falsely tagging browsers as unsupported and even feeding them broken code instead of working code that gets fed to other browsers they "like"

 

This isnt unique to Google.  And why can't MS design their site to work well with all browsers.

 

This really is a moot point since it will eventually go away.  Someone doesnt like something, they will pick at every little thing to tear it down.  Like what this thread is all about really.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 18:14

[quote name="techbeck" post="595834423" timestamp="1374580340"].
 

 
Exactly. GMAIL is not fully setup to support IE 11 yet.  I have seen that message before when using IE10 and other versions if IE.  It will change/go away.
 
/quote]

What if instead of looking for specific browser id strings they followed the standard and queried the browser what HTML5 functions it supported and worked from that. That's the standard and that way browser that fully support the page don't get falsely tagged as no supported.

By then google has a well known history of falsely tagging browsers as unsupported and even feeding them broken code instead of working code that gets fed to other browsers they "like"

Not like microsoft doesn't do the same thing. For example with outlook exchange web access, google chrome on windows works fine, but the same version of chrome on linux they force the "light" version for no reason, even though the regular version works fine if I spoof my user agent.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 21:52

That's not the same as sending garbage code to the browser though. Yes they should do a query for supported html5 fucntions and deliver the page the browser can support instead of relying on antiquated user agents. 

 

However they have not been as bastardly about it as google have. like when they took over google docs many an eon ago. the version they took over worked in all three major browsers at the time, IE, FF and opera, just fine in fact. Shortly after google took over(this was when IE had 90% marketshare and had to be supported and Google was sponsoring FF mind you) They did exactly two changes to the service in their first patch. they changed the branding to google, and they changed  it so Opera users got a message they could use the service as it wasn't supported. if you tried using it, several things was suddenly broken, change user ID and it worked. shortly thereafter there was a new "update" that again didn't actually change anything on the surface, but they actually added a fucntion that went beyond the user agent to check the browser and would send the same garbage code to opera again, since this wasn't a simple user agent fix, it was a lot harder to spoof. 

 

upholding their do no evil mantra, I'm sure they had honest intentions ;)



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 15:17

That's not the same as sending garbage code to the browser though. Yes they should do a query for supported html5 fucntions and deliver the page the browser can support instead of relying on antiquated user agents. 

 

However they have not been as bastardly about it as google have. like when they took over google docs many an eon ago. the version they took over worked in all three major browsers at the time, IE, FF and opera, just fine in fact. Shortly after google took over(this was when IE had 90% marketshare and had to be supported and Google was sponsoring FF mind you) They did exactly two changes to the service in their first patch. they changed the branding to google, and they changed  it so Opera users got a message they could use the service as it wasn't supported. if you tried using it, several things was suddenly broken, change user ID and it worked. shortly thereafter there was a new "update" that again didn't actually change anything on the surface, but they actually added a fucntion that went beyond the user agent to check the browser and would send the same garbage code to opera again, since this wasn't a simple user agent fix, it was a lot harder to spoof. 

 

upholding their do no evil mantra, I'm sure they had honest intentions ;)

 

But they DO send garbage code to the browser. The "light" version of OWA is totally crippled compared to the full version, and its forced on the linux version of chrome for no reason. How is gmail forcing a crippled light version on IE11 "sending garbage code", yet Microsoft doing the same thing to chrome is not? The real difference is that IE11 isn't even released yet. There is a 99.99% chance when the final IE11 comes out it will work in gmail just fine, because google would be insane to alienate IE users... On the other hand Microsoft is doing it to a stable release of a browser just because of the operating system its running on (which makes no sense because chrome on linux render's the same as chrome on windows, because its the same browser).

 

I'm definitely not saying google is perfect or "not evil", but cuddling up to microsoft as if they are "Morally Superior" to google is ridiculous, because microsoft does the same things.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 15:20

How is this different than Spam Mail? Can Google's spam filter automatically filter out these emails?

 

They aren't emails. They are ads marked up to look like emails, kind of like the fake "Download Now" buttons that are actually ads on various file serving websites.