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Instead of snow and ice whirling on the wind, a foot-deep aquamarine lake now sloshes around a webcam stationed at the North Pole.

The meltwater lake started forming July 13, following two weeks of warm weather in the high Arctic. In early July, temperatures were 2 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit higher than average over much of the Arctic Ocean, according to the National Snow & Ice Data Center.

Meltwater ponds sprout more easily on young, thin ice, which now accounts for more than half of the Arctic's sea ice. The ponds link up across the smooth surface of the ice, creating a network that traps heat from the sun. Thick and wrinkly multi-year ice, which has survived more than one freeze-thaw season, is less likely sport a polka-dot network of ponds because of its rough, uneven surface.

July is the melting month in the Arctic, when sea ice shrinks fastest. An Arctic cyclone, which can rival a hurricane in strength, is forecast for this week, which will further fracture the ice and churn up warm ocean water, hastening the summer melt. The Arctic hit a record low summer ice melt last year on Sept. 16, 2012, the smallest recorded since satellites began tracking the Arctic ice in the 1970s.  

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Just a question for you science guys, but other than rising ocean levels, what other effects will this have? Does a pole have to be icy and cold or can it be warm?

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Just a question for you science guys, but other than rising ocean levels, what other effects will this have? Does a pole have to be icy and cold or can it be warm?

 

Are you actually aware of the long-term consequences of rising ocean levels? This is serious stuff that has already and will to continue to affect millions of people. But the flat-earthers will tell you that global warming doesn't exist or is no big deal.

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Are you actually aware of the long-term consequences of rising ocean levels? 

Yes, I am aware of that. I was mainly interested in the last question.

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Just a question for you science guys, but other than rising ocean levels, what other effects will this have? Does a pole have to be icy and cold or can it be warm?

 

Well the climate will change around the globe. Historically Earth isn't supposed to have large standing bodies of Ice. We still fit the definition of an Ice Age

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Just a question for you science guys, but other than rising ocean levels, what other effects will this have? Does a pole have to be icy and cold or can it be warm?

Florida will disappear -- that may be a good thing.

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July is the melting month in the Arctic, when sea ice shrinks fastest.

 

 

satellites began tracking the Arctic ice in the 1970s

 

 

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Ice also evaporates, so does sea water

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Exactly! Pesky scientists I mean how the hell do they know Pluto's orbit will be elliptical ? They haven't even seen one complete orbit for all they know it could shoot off to another galaxy before being seen again in a few thousand years.

its not as if there are ways of going into the past and seeing what the climate was like then by digging in the ice or something!

I totally trust people on neowin over the combined work of hundreds of thousands of scientist's all over the world.

I mean there you go! Take that thousands of peer reviewed papers for the last 150 years you've just been proven wrong!

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Exactly! Pesky scientists I mean how the hell do they know Pluto's orbit will be elliptical ? They haven't even seen one complete orbit for all they know it could shoot off to another galaxy before being seen again in a few thousand years.

its not as if there are ways of going into the past and seeing what the climate was like then by digging in the ice or something!

I totally trust people on neowin over the combined work of hundreds of thousands of scientist's all over the world.

I mean there you go! Take that thousands of peer reviewed papers for the last 150 years you've just been proven wrong!

 

right on cue, you never disappoint ;)

 

Guess that 23 hours of sunlight during the summer solstice is my F-150's fault too.

 

?I have seen much more extensive ponding,? James Morison, the principal investigator for the North Pole Environmental Observatory told The Atlantic. ?Because we use wide angle lenses the melt pond looks much bigger than it is.?

 

Morison also pointed out that a camera 100 meters away showed the ice looking relatively intact. He added that the scale of these images is also quite small.

 

 

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I mean there you go! Take that thousands of peer reviewed papers for the last 150 years you've just been proven wrong!

 

That's the best thing about Science, things like that happen so often.

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Florida will disappear -- that may be a good thing.

It may be. :D

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I'd rather it be California...

 

Florida will disappear -- that may be a good thing.

 

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Are you actually aware of the long-term consequences of rising ocean levels? This is serious stuff that has already and will to continue to affect millions of people. But the flat-earthers will tell you that global warming doesn't exist or is no big deal.

The irony of your statement is that the Flat Earth Society actually believes in global warming. It's nice that you bought into that false rhetoric from leaders who lie and deceive people all the time.

 

http://now.msn.com/flat-earth-society-exists-president-daniel-shenton-believes-in-climate-change

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Guess that 23 hours of sunlight during the summer solstice is my F-150's fault too.

 

I'd say you're thicker than the arctic sea ice... but given last year's record melt, that isn't saying much.

Come on. You're better than this.

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re: rising ocean level.

 

If you are fuzzy on your physics, but still interested in this stuff, I offer you to perform a simple experiment:

 

Take a glass of water and put an ice-cube inside it. Record the level of water. Wait till the ice-cube melts. Compare the level of water before and after.

 

The point is that the ice is already applying force, forcing the water out, so when it melts, no new mass appears that would force more water out.

 

There are some important considerations, for example, whether the ice touches down the bottom or not, but the general principle is the same.

 

p.s. Antarctica is different because it's a continent. So when an iceberg the size of a mountain melts there, it will make the ocean level rise.

 

Just a question for you science guys, but other than rising ocean levels, what other effects will this have? Does a pole have to be icy and cold or can it be warm?

 

It affects the polar bears the most because it's their habitat and when the ice melts, they are left with no surface to live/sleep on.

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^ I wish they would make floating plastic platforms for the poor polar bears. :/

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re: rising ocean level.

 

If you are fuzzy on your physics, but still interested in this stuff, I offer you to perform a simple experiment:

 

Take a glass of water and put an ice-cube inside it. Record the level of water. Wait till the ice-cube melts. Compare the level of water before and after.

 

The point is that the ice is already applying force, forcing the water out, so when it melts, no new mass appears that would force more water out.

 

There are some important considerations, for example, whether the ice touches down the bottom or not, but the general principle is the same.

 

p.s. Antarctica is different because it's a continent. So when an iceberg the size of a mountain melts there, it will make the ocean level rise.

 

 

It affects the polar bears the most because it's their habitat and when the ice melts, they are left with no surface to live/sleep on.

 

The point is that all of the ice is melting. Much of the ice in the North, like Antarctica, is on Greenland. The North Pole is just an early indicator of what's happening, and how bad it's gotten. It's the Canary in the mine shaft.

 

Greenland's ice cap that is 2-3 miles thick is disappearing. There will be a much larger than zero sum gain when all of that water is spilled into the ocean. When it does disappear, New York, LA, Seattle, Miami, the Caribbean, London... Pretty much any shoreline population will disappear as well. This is already happening right now in the Maldives.

 

Also, there is that pesky little matter of what happens when a lot of this water evaporates and is eventually dropped in buckets across land that is not used to nearly that much water. Weather patterns will change, causing severe droughts in what were lush areas, and causing severe floods in others.

 

You make it sound simple, put an ice cube in a glass of water and let it melt. Anyone that knows anything about the climate and meteorology knows that's just a vast oversimplification that's designed to quell your fears of the inevitably extremely complicated and devastating consequences of what is unfolding before our eyes,

 

The Franklin Expedition was trapped in ice at sea several hundred miles south of the North Pole in 1850. The ice didn't melt in the summer at their location for over 6 years, and many resorted to cannibalism. None of the ~115 men made it out alive. Just because there's daylight for 24 hours up there doesn't mean it's warm enough to melt the ice regularly.

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Follow up: the bogus ?North Pole becomes a lake? story

 

Note that WUWT published on why this imagery has no scientific merit, and the principal scientist issued a statement saying that it wasn?t anything out of the ordinary.

Even AP saw they?d screwed up and issued a retraction: 

 

Title : ELIMINATION North Pole Lake

Caption : EDITORS, PHOTO EDITORS, AND PHOTO LIBRARIANS ? PLEASE ELIMINATE AP PHOTO NY109 THAT WAS SENT ON SATURDAY, JULY 27, 2013. THE CAPTION INACCURATELY STATED THAT ?THE SHALLOW MELTWATER LAKE IS OCCURRING DUE TO AN UNUSUALLY WARM PERIOD.? IN FACT, THE WATER ACCUMULATES IN THIS WAY EVERY SUMMER. IN ADDITION, THE IMAGES DO NOT NECESSARILY SHOW CONDITIONS AT THE NORTH POLE, BECAUSE THE WEATHER BUOY CARRYING THE CAMERA USED BY THE NORTH POLE ENVIRONMENTAL OBSERVATORY HAS DRIFTED HUNDREDS OF MILES FROM ITS ORIGINAL POSITION, WHICH WAS A FEW DOZEN MILES FROM THE POLE- This frame grab provided by NOAA shows images from the wide-angle camera trained on a weather buoy maintained by the North Pole Environmental Observatory at the North Pole. The top image is a June 7, 2013 frame grab. The bottom image is a July 25, 2013 frame grab. (AP Photo/NOAA)

 

 

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