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#1 COKid

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 04:52

A gun instructor in the US state of Ohio has accidentally shot a student in the arm in a class for people seeking permits to carry a concealed firearm.

 

Terry Dunlap, 73, was demonstrating a .38-calibre pistol when it went off and struck Michael Piemonte, 26.

 

He and his wife were taking the day-long class in order to carry guns for their own safety, he told local media.

 

All 50 states allow residents to obtain a concealed firearm permit, though training and other requirements differ.

 

Last month, the state of Illinois became the last to do so, in response to a court order.

 

The Fairfield County, Ohio, sheriff's office listed the Saturday shooting in the town of Lancaster as accidental, the Columbus Dispatch reported.

 

"It took me a couple of seconds to realise that I had been shot," Mr Piemonte told CNN.

 

Mr Piemonte was treated in hospital and released that night.

 

Mr Dunlap has not spoken publicly about the incident.

 

Ohio residents seeking a concealed weapon permit must take an approved safety course or show "evidence of imminent danger", pass a criminal background check, and meet other requirements.

 

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-23691146

 

The instructor is 73 years old! Well, I'm relieved to know that the folks training our citizens to use firearms are so competent. I feel much safer now. ;)




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Posted 14 August 2013 - 12:23

Glad your relieved, there are thousands upon thousands of gun safety instructors in the united states and the amount of times something like this happens is exceedingly low.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 12:42

Oops?



#4 HawkMan

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 13:51

Glad your relieved, there are thousands upon thousands of gun safety instructors in the united states and the amount of times something like this happens is exceedingly low.


The number of times an instructor shoots a student should be zero(0), not low, not exceedingly low, not marginal, not virtually none but zero.

And they should probably have an age limit on the instructors as well.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 13:56

The number of times an instructor shoots a student should be zero(0), not low, not exceedingly low, not marginal, not virtually none but zero.

And they should probably have an age limit on the instructors as well.

Agreed. The most important component of gun safety is never to point a loaded gun in the direction of a person you don't intend to shoot. No instructor should be making this mistake.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 13:58

Agreed. The most important component of gun safety is never to point a loaded gun in the direction of a person you don't intend to shoot. No instructor should be making this mistake.

Exactly.  Especially knowing that a .38 revolver doesn't have a traditional safety lock.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 14:55

You don't need a safety "lock" for the firearm to be safe - in fact many double-action concealed carry automatics don't have one. My question is if this revolver was being operated in single-action mode, in which case accidents are much more likely.

Single action: armed (cocked) with a short & light trigger pull to fire.

Double action: un-armed (un-cocked) with a long & stiff trigger pull to both arm and fire.

Also: there are over 115,000 certified non-military instructors in the US.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:20

One thing, I bet the students learned a valuable lesson.



#9 ILikeTobacco

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:21

Also: there are over 115,000 certified non-military instructors in the US.

Doesn't matter. Because one made a mistake, they are all incompetent and can't be trusted.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:25

Are you serious... really... or are you just trolling?



#11 FlintyV

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:30

The instructor seems a little old to be doing this sort of thing. 



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:31

Are you serious... really... or are you just trolling?

 

He's being sarcastic to take the focus away form the fact that the certification for instructors is obviously way to weak and lacking in requirements and re-certification of older instructors as well as lacking a decent upper age limit. 

 

So while his sarcasm is greatly overstated. this case shows that the quality of those instructors can't be known at this time. 



#13 DocM

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:43

One accident does not indicate an inherently bad training system. Most often, and especially with very rare instances like this, it just means you had a human being make a very human mistake.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:52

He's being sarcastic to take the focus away form the fact that the certification for instructors is obviously way to weak and lacking in requirements and re-certification of older instructors as well as lacking a decent upper age limit. 

 

So while his sarcasm is greatly overstated. this case shows that the quality of those instructors can't be known at this time. 

The certification for instructors is just fine. Re-certification may be an issue though, especially if age requirements aren't considered. All that being said, it is telling that with over 100,000 instructors, this is the first time in recent history that I can recall something like this in the news. Given the controversy surrounding guns and how the media jumps on anything they can, 1 accident with over 100,000 instructors is not a bad percentage. Most instructors I know give at least one class a month and many give one every weekend. If you do the math, 1 accident in 1,200,000 classes this year is not bad. Should the certification process be looked at to make sure it accounts for certain things such as perhaps age limits, sure. But all in all, given how we are humans and accidents happen, 1 in 1,200,000 a year is acceptable.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 16:30

He's being sarcastic to take the focus away form the fact that the certification for instructors is obviously way to weak and lacking in requirements and re-certification of older instructors as well as lacking a decent upper age limit. 

 

So while his sarcasm is greatly overstated. this case shows that the quality of those instructors can't be known at this time. 

 

Age != incompetence.

 

Accidents != incompetence.